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hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Aug 14 2008, 04:22 AM) *
Actually Muckmood, thus far you have known less and less. See I can in fact see you.I SEE YOU and now I don't.


i know onething very clearly,
that you are a human being,
thats all for me,
i have no interest in..who you are..where you are...how you are...,
i am fully satisfied my conversation with you,
Yes! it took variety of ups and downs,
but, it happens, because this is world,
and every one has right to have different taste.
and, different tastes offer different response,
but, within due course of property.

on the other hand,
Yes! i am not satisfied with my knowledge,
so that, i interact with you,
because your place of knowledge is full,
so, i want to take an opportunity,
i want to sit under your cloud of knowledge,
thats why some times, i use rain-producer,
so, dont be angry, its usual.
ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Aug 14 2008, 08:14 AM) *
i know onething very clearly,
that you are a human being,
thats all for me,
i have no interest in..who you are..where you are...how you are...,
i am fully satisfied my conversation with you,
Yes! it took variety of ups and downs,
but, it happens, because this is world,
and every one has right to have different taste.
and, different tastes offer different response,
but, within due course of property.

on the other hand,
Yes! i am not satisfied with my knowledge,
so that, i interact with you,
because your place of knowledge is full,
so, i want to take an opportunity,
i want to sit under your cloud of knowledge,
thats why some times, i use rain-producer,
so, dont be angry, its usual.

Click to view attachment?
SoloNav
....psssst! Trader, what is a rain-producer?
ustrader
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Aug 15 2008, 08:18 AM) *
....psssst! Trader, what is a rain-producer?


Psst, ? Perhaps the 12th Imam? ohmy.gif popcorn.gif
hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Aug 15 2008, 04:04 AM) *



My God!

No quality Photo,
No quality comment.

what are you doing trader??
you are shrinking day by day with such a pace that now, you dont even say "Huh" ???
hussainmehdi
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Aug 15 2008, 06:18 AM) *
....psssst! Trader, what is a rain-producer?



its me...its me, not trader,
why dont you ask me, instead ?

and, what is this?

you did "psssst" (4s)
trader did "psst" (2s)

such a heavy difference ???

how can you satisfy with such a vast difference ??
ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Aug 16 2008, 01:39 PM) *
its me...its me, not trader,
why dont you ask me, instead ?

and, what is this?

you did "psssst" (4s)
trader did "psst" (2s)

such a heavy difference ???

how can you satisfy with such a vast difference ??

Now give this some long and careful thought Muckmood, it may be a little complex for brain to reason with in its complexities but is say volumes about You and I.

Click here and THINK, if possible??

That is all!

hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Aug 16 2008, 12:05 PM) *
Now give this some long and careful thought Muckmood, it may be a little complex for brain to reason with in its complexities but is say volumes about You and I.



ok..ok,
i know, your bounderies do not allow you to enter into volumes of books,
you can only talk with covers,
ok, i accept your limitations.
and, i do not complain.

a cover of a book does not discuss complexities except one and a half line.
you do not refer covers, but complexities.
however, it requies expertise.
that is very rare.
ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Aug 17 2008, 09:05 PM) *
ok..ok,
i know, your bounderies do not allow you to enter into volumes of books,
you can only talk with covers,
ok, i accept your limitations.
and, i do not complain.

a cover of a book does not discuss complexities except one and a half line.
you do not refer covers, but complexities.
however, it requies expertise.
that is very rare.


popcorn.gif



You will never get it Muckmood.

QUOTE

Thoughts become words.

Words become either the effect of action or the emptiness of inaction, thus naught.

Word thoughts of actions or inaction soon become a character of habits.

If habits are of action, they steel character, if of inaction they ramble, as such, in a lack of it.

If one has character, it becomes a part of their destiny, if they have no discernible character they yield their part in destiny, to another affect. - Trader ”


Что все !!
hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Aug 18 2008, 10:24 AM) *
popcorn.gif

You will never get it Muckmood.



Thoughts become words.
Words become either the effect of action or the emptiness of inaction, thus naught.
Word thoughts of actions or inaction soon become a character of habits.
If habits are of action, they steel character, if of inaction they ramble, as such, in a lack of it.
If one has character, it becomes a part of their destiny, if they have no discernible character they yield their part in destiny, to another affect. - Trader ”


you said: "If one has character, it becomes a part of their destiny, if they have no discernible character they yield their part in destiny, to another affect."

on one side of sentence you only mentioned "character", and on the other side of the same sentence you mentioned "no discernible character", why??

why didn't you mention "no character" instead ???
why did you add an addition "discernible" ??

why didn't you mention "indiscernible" in the beginning of the sentence too ??

would you like to please explain it a little?
and what is 'another affect' from your point of view?
while, i know that your point of view is not the principle based upon which the sun rises.
but, of course, i want to listen your point of view for general knowledge.
ustrader
'hussainmehdi' date='Aug 19 2008, 01:32 PM' post='105095'
you said: "If one has character, it becomes a part of their destiny, if they have no discernible character they yield their part in destiny, to another affect."

on one side of sentence you only mentioned "character", and on the other side of the same sentence you mentioned "no discernible character", why??

why didn't you mention "no character" instead ???
why did you add an addition "discernible" ??

why didn't you mention "indiscernible" in the beginning of the sentence too ??

would you like to please explain it a little?
and what is 'another affect' from your point of view?
while, i know that your point of view is not the principle based upon which the sun rises.
but, of course, i want to listen your point of view for general knowledge.


QUOTE


No discernible character and Indiscernible character; are like the fine hews of a birds feathers, only a slight variant, and one has a new species and origin in being and existence. The infinity of differentiation cannot be medaled together or taught, it must be deduced with the art of intellectual subtlety.

"The most distinctive mark of a cultured mind is the ability to take from the environment ; to see from the environment its breath of dimensions in both endeavors of triumphant and of tribulation, in a willingness to both accept and test boundaries; to be able to live on the edge of differences in all matters intellectually; to examine it all, inclusively, with and without the burning heat of blinded bias; to have imaginative incomprehension and sympathy, openness and closeness, inflexibility as well as flexibility of mind that maintains its steadiness and poise of feeling, so as to remain cool and holistically aware of it all in calmness of judgment. This is to understand both the commonality and intractable differences in cultures without the foolish idea that we are all the same, when all about us, shows we are not remotely all the same. But merely some of the same, in a common humanity, that is both as different as it is the same." -TRADER




THAT IS ALL!!
hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Aug 21 2008, 07:38 AM) *
No discernible character and Indiscernible character; are like the fine hews of a birds feathers, only a slight variant, and one has a new species and origin in being and existence. The infinity of differentiation cannot be medaled together or taught, it must be deduced with the art of intellectual subtlety.

"The most distinctive mark of a cultured mind is the ability to take from the environment ; to see from the environment its breath of dimensions in both endeavors of triumphant and of tribulation, in a willingness to both accept and test boundaries; to be able to live on the edge of differences in all matters intellectually; to examine it all, inclusively, with and without the burning heat of blinded bias; to have imaginative incomprehension and sympathy, openness and closeness, inflexibility as well as flexibility of mind that maintains its steadiness and poise of feeling, so as to remain cool and holistically aware of it all in calmness of judgment. This is to understand both the commonality and intractable differences in cultures without the foolish idea that we are all the same, when all about us, shows we are not remotely all the same. But merely some of the same, in a common humanity, that is both as different as it is the same." -TRADER


although, you claim that you believe in opnness, but you did not answer my questions properly.

ok, let's continue to move ahead.
now, you have come up with another theory.
let's take it now:

you claimed:
"...the foolish idea that we are all the same, when all about us, shows we are not remotely all the same."

please tell me, if we are not same then who is authorised to categorize us ?
please tell me, if we are not same then why we should accept equal implimentation of law?
for example: why a '24hours drinker and an intellectual are treated equally under one law?
for example: why purchase agreements are equal for all people, while are not same?
for example: why a thing has same price for a dull and intellectual or for a poor or billionaire ?

dont you think that your type of people use this 'tact' to undermine any theory that threatens your own ???
ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Aug 21 2008, 12:16 PM) *
although, you claim that you believe in opnness, but you did not answer my questions properly. to my satisfaction and capability of understand. Yet
this;

No discernible character and Indiscernible character; are like the fine hews of a birds feathers, only a slight variant, and one has a new species and origin in being and existence. The infinity of differentiation cannot be medaled together or taught, it must be deduced with the art of intellectual subtlety, was my answer. popcorn.gif

ok, let's continue to move ahead.
now, you have come up with another theory.
let's take it now:

you claimed:
"...the foolish idea that we are all the same, when all about us, shows we are not remotely all the same."

please tell me, if we are not same then who is authorised to categorize us ? Observerable reality

please tell me, if we are not same then why we should accept equal implimentation of law? Is there really such a thing entirely or is it but a goal often unachived in the best of law abiding countries.

for example: why a '24hours drinker and an intellectual are treated equally under one law? ]color=red] This a false analogy much like which came frist the chicken or the egg.[/color]

for example: why purchase agreements are equal for all people, while are not same? They are not, mthey are disputed all the time and adjudged differently by different peoples all thje time, join reality Muckmood.

for example: why a thing has same price for a dull and intellectual or for a poor or billionaire ? Obviously you are not a person of has traveled to see that pricing is as flexible and bias as ar people, in most of the world there is the foriegners price and the locals price with a few exceptions in a very few countries where large stores do not bargain, then there are other venues such as wholesale.


dont you think that your type of people use this 'tact' to undermine any theory that threatens your own ??? Do you think I would have said what I did if i thought that and did not know better that the tact is nor linear not consistent and often the opposite to both, "by most of all kinds of people."

Muckmood, please try harder...



hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Aug 24 2008, 10:52 AM) *
although, you claim that you believe in opnness, but you did not answer my questions properly. to my satisfaction and capability of understand. Yet
this;

No discernible character and Indiscernible character; are like the fine hews of a birds feathers, only a slight variant, and one has a new species and origin in being and existence. The infinity of differentiation cannot be medaled together or taught, it must be deduced with the art of intellectual subtlety, was my answer. popcorn.gif

ok, let's continue to move ahead.
now, you have come up with another theory.
let's take it now:

you claimed:
"...the foolish idea that we are all the same, when all about us, shows we are not remotely all the same."

please tell me, if we are not same then who is authorised to categorize us ? Observerable reality

please tell me, if we are not same then why we should accept equal implimentation of law? Is there really such a thing entirely or is it but a goal often unachived in the best of law abiding countries.

for example: why a '24hours drinker and an intellectual are treated equally under one law? ]color=red] This a false analogy much like which came frist the chicken or the egg.[/color]

for example: why purchase agreements are equal for all people, while are not same? They are not, mthey are disputed all the time and adjudged differently by different peoples all thje time, join reality Muckmood.

for example: why a thing has same price for a dull and intellectual or for a poor or billionaire ? Obviously you are not a person of has traveled to see that pricing is as flexible and bias as ar people, in most of the world there is the foriegners price and the locals price with a few exceptions in a very few countries where large stores do not bargain, then there are other venues such as wholesale.


dont you think that your type of people use this 'tact' to undermine any theory that threatens your own ??? Do you think I would have said what I did if i thought that and did not know better that the tact is nor linear not consistent and often the opposite to both, "by most of all kinds of people."

Muckmood, please try harder...


Trader!

I just asked you that why you did not mention discernible character in the beginning of your sentence that you put in your comment on Aug 18 2008, 10:24 AM

Did you understand???

Let it be easier!

Please describe the difference between character and discernible character. And then, let me know that why you stopped short mentioning discernible character in the beginning of your sentence, instead you only settled mentioning 'character', but, at the end of your sentence you mentioned both (1- discernible, 2- character), why? Why it was necessary then ??? and why it was not necessary in the beginning ???

For example:

If, one has eyes then colors are easily understandable, but, if one does not have eyes, it is not easy to understand colors.

Did you notice? There are eyes on both sides of the sentence.

But, if I say:

If, one has eyes then colors are easily understandable, but if one has, twitching eyes then it may yield to another affect.

Did you notice? The whole sense of the sentence has changed.

So, please point the requirement and do not fly with birds.

You know? it is dishonesty that you start from one thing and end it deliberately to another entirely different thing.

I don't know if you are 'Harvard phd' and you have different resonance of honesty around your ears.

But, 'harvard phds' should also know to how to talk to 'categorized people'.
ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Aug 24 2008, 04:53 PM) *
Trader!

I just asked you that why you did not mention discernible character in the beginning of your sentence that you put in your comment on Aug 18 2008, 10:24 AM

Did you understand??? Yes, obviously you did not I am afraid.

Let it be easier! I fear you can not.

Please describe the difference between character and no discernible character. And then, let me know that why you stopped short mentioning no discernible character in the beginning of your sentence, instead you only settled mentioning 'character', but, at the end of your sentence you mentioned both (1- nodiscernible, 2- character), why? Why it was necessary then ??? and why it was not necessary in the beginning ???

For example:

If, one has eyes then colors are easily understandable, but, if one does not have eyes, it is not easy to understand colors. Not exactly, as usual the hugh doughnut hole in ones logic leaves gapping venues to explore. If one HAD eyes, they could recall color, thus visualize it and as such "see it in their mind.. Try harder Muckmood. sad.gif

Did you notice? There are eyes on both sides of the sentence. Did you notice an agrument with a big doughtnut hole has a big gap in the middle?

But, if I say:

If, one has eyes then colors are easily understandable, but if one has, twitching eyes then it may yield to another affect. Asked and answerd

Did you notice? The whole sense of the sentence has changed.

So, please point the requirement and do not fly with birds. Always humanly to the point, but as I fly, I do fly with birds occasionally too.

You know? it is dishonesty that you start from one thing and end it deliberately to another entirely different thing. You know it is a shame to not understand one thing and then, by nature perhaps, end up not understand another, and another, and so forth.

I don't know if you are 'Harvard phd' and you have different resonance of honesty around your ears. Muckmood , why that was almost a point, but the honesty, "one hears" is amplified by one appitude and the internal noise that interfers with hearing, you know.

But, 'harvard phds' should also know to how to talk to 'categorized people'. I am afraid, rationalize what is categorized people. I may compare them, I may admire them, I may dispise them and or I may do a thousand and or more other things about people, but categorized is not a word I recognize as a part of the process.

Try harder Muckmood...


THAT IS ALL!!

hussainmehdi
whatever you said above, is not convincing. of course, i am not talking about you. i am talking about people except you, those, who have heart and feeling.

those, who chase the prey,
and,
those, who go near flowers and put their lips on them and feel the softness,
are two different group of people with different jobs.

how can you feel such a softness in the middle of chase?
how can you?
but, i will continue to convince you, until you come to the softness.
i hope so.
Razin
well, actually there are many opinions by real specialists and professionals who says that US will attack Iran.

Scott Ritter comes to mind on short notice.

there are many others


Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran
http://www.infowars.com/?p=3849
"Operation Brimstone" US Naval Nuclear Strike Force Has Been Deployed to Iran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biCXQHexflY
Views: 42,265
"Troops Have Been Deployed in Iran. The War With Iran Has Begun"
- Col. Sam Gardiner- US Airforce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7JKJTPMwdo
Views: 34,563
Congressman Announces Bombing of Iran & Suspended Election
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBv1Q0WGygw
Views: 34,518
WE'RE GONNA BOMB IRAN, & THERES NOTHING YOU CAN DO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIPART47bIs
Views: 57,197
Bush Gives Israel Go On Iran Aerial Strike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4i6dUsEesU
SoloNav

Yea. I know YouTube. I once saw a video about "ghosts" there. Yep! that's where I want to go for sure for correct unbiased information in this technology-advanced society.

And, linking to a video won't make your argument any more sound(ahem) than it is already. Do you need "shiny things" to distract us from the fact you don't know what you're talking about?
ustrader
QUOTE
The un-conscious distortion of the facts is almost harmless, in that it is but a probe into the unconscious determinates of one’s inward moral behaviors that which defines their being, perhaps more conclusively, than the conscious distortion of facts, which more defines how inward behaviors are used as measures of one’s overt being as to character and substance in being an honest and fair man all together.-Trader

http://www.infowars.com AKA Alex Jones, AKA 9/11 we did conspiracy freak, AKA Facists Liberal instigator, AKA 250 lb fat boy who feels brave and courage attacking 5 ft 98lb Asian at the failed Air America –Re-create 68 riot fizzle within the Liberal Dribble.’
This is RASputins great intellectual guru of Thug-view. How brave they are…Kill Michel Malkin..Kill Michel Malkin!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU42hL0T18c

Alex Jones: and RasPutin anachist thugs of same bridge to far laugh.gif

Operation Brimstone" US Naval Nuclear Strike Force Has Been Deployed to Iran
"Troops Have Been Deployed in Iran. The War With Iran Has Begun"
- Col. Sam Gardiner- US Airforce
Congressman Announces Bombing of Iran & Suspended Election
WE'RE GONNA BOMB IRAN, & THERES NOTHING YOU CAN DO
Bush Gives Israel Go On Iran Aerial Strike


All these obscured dementia’s of RazPution’s Youtube Nut job source are the same, one look, is but a mirror into the inter-sanctum of Razputin’s communalist immature dementia. Likely his posting and he is just trolling for more hits so show off the john-less john..

http://www.youtube.com/user/rodneykingman

That is all!
hussainmehdi
Mother gives life to her baby, when she allows her baby to suck her breasts.
Mother grants thousands of liters of her blood to baby within a period of two years,
Mother sacrifices this keeping a dream in her mind that one day, her baby will secure lives of others the same way as she is securing her baby's life.

Amazingly, baby grows up and starts bombing, killing thousands of mothers and babies.

Sometimes, it happens according to the dreams.
Sometimes, it does not.
Who listens mothers?

Of course, this is world, where unfortunate mothers have babies like cheneybush.
This is world, where we see thousands of experiments each day,
These experiments are nothing but another lesson.
ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 3 2008, 03:12 AM) *
Mother gives life to her baby, when she allows her baby to suck her breasts.
Mother grants thousands of liters of her blood to baby within a period of two years,
Mother sacrifices this keeping a dream in her mind that one day, her baby will secure lives of others the same way as she is securing her baby's life.

Amazingly, baby grows up and starts bombing, killing thousands of mothers and babies.

Sometimes, it happens according to the dreams.
Sometimes, it does not.
Who listens mothers?



Of course, this is world, where unfortunate mothers have babies like;



hussainmehdi
thousands of jews and christians live in Iran today,
they reject islam,
they do not follow islam,
they never accepted islam,
this is Iran. (your enemy)

Look at another country!
all jews and christians have either been massacred or kicked out from the country,
now, there is no jew or christian lives in that country.
this is saudi arabia. (your best friend and close ally)

decide yourself about your theories.
ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 3 2008, 09:15 PM) *
thousands of jews (less than 25,000) and christians ( less than 30,000) live in Iran today,
they reject islam, No they don not, they just have not cionverted when since the revolution, most have either converted or immigrated. None reject Islam openly if they do they are executed.
they do not follow islam,
they never accepted islam,
this is Iran. (your enemy) Finally one thing we can agree on this last phrase that is.



Look at another country!
all jews and christians have either been massacred or kicked out from the country,
now, there is no jew or christian lives in that country.
this is saudi arabia. (your best friend and close ally) Muckmood you have to stop this. one more thing we can agree on is this last phrase that is.
decide yourself about your theories.



Throughout the 19th century, Jews were persecuted and discriminated against. Sometimes whole communities were forced to convert. During the 19th century, there was considerable emigration to the Land of Israel, and the Zionist movement spread throughout the community.

On the eve of the Islamic Revolution in 1979, 80,000 Jews lived in Iran. In the wake of the upheaval, tens of thousands of Jews, some say as many as 45,000, especially the wealthy, left the country, leaving behind vast amounts of property. Today, the population is estimated at less than 25,000. They have only 11 synagogues in the entire country yet only 8 RABI .

Jews who apply for a passport to travel abroad must do so in a special bureau and are immediately put under surveillance
Iran's Jewish community is the largest in the Middle East outside Israel.
On the eve of Passover in 1999, 13 Jews from Shiraz and Isfahan in southern Iran were arrested and accused of spying for Israel and the United States. Those arrested include a rabbi, a ritual slaughterer and teachers. In September 2000, an Iranian appeals court upheld a decision to imprison ten of the thirteen Jews accused of spying for Israel.

At least 13 Jews have been executed in Iran since the Islamic revolution 19 years ago, most of them for either religious reasons or their connection to Israel.
Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. According to the U.S. Department of State, Jews may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.[47]

The anti Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers celebrated the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[47] Jews are often the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press. Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.[47]

In 1996, there were still three schools in Teheran in which Jews were in a majority, but Jewish principals had been replaced. The school curriculum is Islamic and the Tanakh is taught in Persian, rather than Hebrew. The Ozar Hatorah organization conducts Hebrew lessons on Fridays.

In principle, but with some exceptions, there is little restriction of or interference with the Jewish religious practice; however, education of Jewish children has become more difficult in recent years. The Government reportedly allows Hebrew instruction, recognizing that it is necessary for Jewish religious practice. However, it strongly discourages the distribution of Hebrew texts, in practice making it difficult to teach the language. Moreover, the Government has required that several Jewish schools remain open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath, in conformity with the schedule of other schools in the school system. Since certain kinds of work (such as writing or using electrical appliances on the Sabbath violates Jewish law), this requirement to operate the schools has made it difficult for observant Jews both to attend school and adhere to a fundamental tenet of their religion.
Saturday is no longer officially recognized as the Jewish sabbath and Jewish pupils are compelled to attend school on that day

Due to the socio-economic and political pressures in the years following the Iranian Revolution, periods of outright persecution and times of more latent discrimination, many Iranian Christians, both as part of the general exodus of Iranians and as response to the specific pressures, have emigrated, mostly to the USA, Canada and Western Europe. In 2000, about 0.4% of Iran's population were Christians. In 1975, Christians numbered about 1.5% of the total population. Statistically, a much larger percentage of non-Muslims have emigrated out of Iran. Today most estimates make that number at just over 30,000.

Despite its long history in Iran, Christianity has often been seen by Islamic Republic as sympathetic to western ideals.[citation needed] The persecution of the Protestant churches has perhaps been more severe for this very reason. While the government guarantees the recognised Christian minorities a number of rights (production and sale of non-halal foods), guaranteed representation in parliament, special family law etc., government intrusion, expropriation of property, forced closure and persecution, particularly in the initial years after the Iranian Revolution, have all been documented. Most prominent has been the death of Haik Hovsepian Mehr, bishop of the Jamiat-e Rabbani, in 1994. Recently the continuing imprisonment of Hamid Pourmand a lay pastor of Jammiat-e Rabboni and the murder of Ghorban Tourani, the pastor of an independent evangelical church have created international concern.



That is all!!
hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 4 2008, 02:52 AM) *
thousands of jews (less than 25,000) and christians ( less than 30,000) live in Iran today,
they reject islam, No they don not, they just have not cionverted when since the revolution, most have either converted or immigrated. None reject Islam openly if they do they are executed.
they do not follow islam,
they never accepted islam,
this is Iran. (your enemy) Finally one thing we can agree on this last phrase that is.


Look at another country!
all jews and christians have either been massacred or kicked out from the country,
now, there is no jew or christian lives in that country.
this is saudi arabia. (your best friend and close ally) Muckmood you have to stop this. one more thing we can agree on is this last phrase that is.
decide yourself about your theories.



how many 'either' converted???
do you have any official figures approved by uno?
they were converted forcefully?
so, now they are muslims and as per your own claim, muslims can get visas easily in iran, so why not they come outside and say that that they were forced to convert???
do you have any official figure duly approved by world bodies??

the mose populous tribes of jews lived in arabia (s.arabia) according to history, so where are they now?
why today, no jew, no christian resides inside s.arabia as arabian citizen??

you talk about executions in iran, but you delibarately avoided to mention that there are excecutions for all citizens who violate law of the land. there is no discrimination for any specific community.

but what about this:

Native Iranian Reza Rezaee, a naturalized US citizen, said he lost his job at Robins Air Force Base because of his trips to Iran.



He's been a US citizen since 1987, a Defense Department employee for 20 years and an electronics engineer at Robins Air Force Base since 1991.

Yet Reza Rezaee likely will lose his job in a few days. Not because of incompetence or subpar performance. Even the Defense Department agrees that he's been an above average employee. There are no credible charges of misconduct or mixed loyalties on his record.

Rezaee's only explanation of his pending termination is paranoia - what he suggests are unwarranted suspicions surrounding trips to his native Iran to care for his 90-year-old, nearly blind mother and to maintain some contact with other members of his family.

The preliminaries have been decided. The Air Force pulled his secret security clearance in 2005 and suspended him without pay in January.

The Untied States is at loggerheads with Iran over the independent and home-grown nature of Tehran's nuclear technology, which gives the Islamic Republic the potential to turn into a world power and a role model for other third-world countries. Washington has laid much pressure on Iran to make it give up the most sensitive and advanced part of the technology, which is uranium enrichment, a process used for producing nuclear fuel for power plants.

Still, the slightly built University of Central Florida graduate struggles to reconcile what has happened over the last three years. He said his ordeal has been devastating financially, professionally, socially and emotionally.

"Officials hide behind policy," Rezaee said during an interview last week. "Then they go home and sleep at night. They don't look at the human side. I haven't given them any reason to doubt me. I've had a security clearance since 1991 and now they suddenly have issues."

Defense Department and Air Force documents obtained by The Telegraph indicate Rezaee's trips to Iran using his Iranian passport - seven visits since 1986 - and trips by his wife, Fariba, have created what the military calls an indication of "foreign influence."

An April decision on Rezaee's appeal to the Defense Department's Office of Hearings and Appeals in Arlington, Va., upheld - at least in part - a previous Air Force ruling in the case.

"Protection of the national security is the paramount consideration," administrative judge Carol Ricciardello specified in a 12-page document.

"Therefore, any doubt concerning personnel being considered for access to classified information is resolved in favor of national security."

The Air Force also raised "foreign preference" and "personal conduct" allegations against Rezaee, but Ricciardello found no compelling evidence to substantiate those charges.

Rezaee's appeal to the Defense Department agency contained 20 letters of recommendation from Robins supervisors and co-workers, along with support from friends and neighbors in the Middle Georgia community.

Ricciardello conceded that the documentation described the Robins worker as "loyal, consistently professional" with a "high level of competence" and a "high level of integrity."

The judge also noted that Rezaee's annual appraisals "reflected that he consistently met expected standards and often exceeded the standards."

"None of the witnesses (at Rezaee's hearing) had any reservations about (his) holding a security clearance," said Ricciardello. Yet the defense official sustained the "foreign influence" ruling, concluding that Rezaee's overall record left her "with questions about his eligibility and suitability for a security clearance."

The veteran employee worked in a classified software facility at Robins, providing support for the F-15 fighter. The position calls for a security clearance, although Rezaee said he had not done classified work in years.

All his trips to Iran were coordinated with the Office of Special Investigations at Robins, he emphasized.

"OSI interviewed me both before and after the fact," he said. "At no time did anyone say that going to Iran might jeopardize my security clearance."

Dianne Suchan, director of the 402nd Software Maintenance Group at Robins, will make the final decision on his pending termination. Rezaee presented his appeal to her several days ago, but the 50-year-old expects the worst, even though electronics engineers are in critically short supply at the base.

"I provided her a number of documents and asked to retain my job for a year so I can re-apply for a clearance," he reported. "She said she would study the paperwork and make a decision. But I doubt she will grant my request."

Robins spokesman John Birdsong would not comment on the case except to confirm that a decision was pending.

Rezaee asked US Rep. Jim Marshall, D-Ga., and Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., for help. Neither was successful.

Marshall spokesman Doug Moore said the District 8 congressman contacted both Robins and the Pentagon.

"We've written numerous letters, but we have not been able to change the Defense Department's position," Moore confirmed. "We've done all we can do."

Rezaee, father of two teenage daughters and a local youth soccer coach for 12 years, said the Air Force decision has left him with few financial options. His wife has taken a $9-an-hour job at Lowe's. He's drawing unemployment compensation.

He has sent resumes to potential employers, but the government's action hangs like a dark cloud over any job interview.

"They don't understand why I lost my job after 20 years," Rezaee lamented. "It doesn't make sense to them. I was making $70,000 to $80,000 a year and now I'm applying for a job making $30,000."

But it's the sense of betrayal - not the financial loss - that cuts most deeply, he says. An Iranian friend - also a Robins employee - has backed away. "He doesn't come to our house any more even though he knows I haven't done anything wrong," said Rezaee.

The engineer believes the people he has worked with for 17 years care what happens to him, but they care from a distance.

Rezaee said he has endured the second glances and closer scrutiny for years. "For example, clearing customs at the airport in Atlanta often takes four or five hours," he said. "I don't have a problem with that. They don't know me. They're just following their rules."

But the situation at Robins is different. "(The leadership) here knows me," Rezaee explained. "It's tough. They're afraid to back me up even though they know I haven't done anything wrong."

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why various govt and non-govt officials and ordinary iranians are not allowed us visa??

isn't it discrimination?


what about this:

OAKLAND, California, 26 Aug (IPS) - When Michelle May, an avid traveler, returned to New York's John F. Kennedy airport after a seven-week trip to Iran this summer, she says she was closely questioned and her luggage searched after officials read on her customs card that she had been to the Islamic Republic.

When May asked why she was being subjected to such scrutiny, a customs agent said, 'They were the ones who attacked us.'

'This response embarrassed me as an American -- to think that there are people in my country who still today are so confused by the 9/11 terrorist attacks and who perpetrated them,' May told IPS correspondent Omid Memarian in an interview.

The number of U.S. citizens who visit Iran is less than a 1,000 a year. During her 10-week trip in June and July, May posted pictures of herself with ordinary Iranian people on Facebook, a popular social networking website, and continuously updated her blog, drawing considerable comments and attention.

Although U.S. citizens are not allowed to travel in Iran without an official government-approved tour guide with them at all times, May used her Irish passport and was able to travel independently.

May, 35, has traveled to 48 countries over the past decade. Her latest journey included Iran's northern Caspian Sea and border region with Turkmenistan, to Kurdistan along the border of Iraq, and finally to the dangerous region of Baluchistan.

Excerpts from the interview follow.

IPS: How were you welcomed in Tehran's International Airport, as an American, and at JFK airport, as somebody who was coming back from a member of the 'axis of evil' club?

MM: In Tehran, I quickly passed through immigration and customs, with fellow passengers helping me carry my luggage, and kind smiles from chador-clad female Iran customs agents.

In contrast, back home at JFK I was treated with great suspicion. One customs agent even asked me if the U.S. government had given me 'permission' to go to Iran. In fact, I do not need my government's 'permission' to go to Iran. Given the fact I have passed through customs over 100 times in my life and never been searched at all until now leads me to suspect that I was treated this way simply because I was coming from Iran.

IPS: What was your impression about Iranians' opinion of the United States and Americans?

MM: Time and time again I was told by Iranians of varying walks of life that they 'love' Americans and they badly want a 'relationship' with Americans. I never felt unwelcome and I never felt unsafe. In fact, most people I spent time with seemed to be 'proud' of me -- for lack of a better word. Many expressed that they wished there were more American tourists.

IPS: What were their opinions of U.S.-Iran relations?

MM: Many expressed that regardless whether they agree with the U.S. government or not, their feelings about my government's acts have no bearing on how they view the individual people of America. Many said they were sad that they could not have more relations with the everyday people of America due to serious visa constraints on both sides prohibiting much tourism.

IPS: As a woman you have to wear a hijab headscarf and mantou, which covers your body. What was your feeling about it and also the women in different parts of Iran?

MM: At the end of two months, I had gotten used to it and see its benefits -- just as many women of Muslim countries do. It is a great deterrent for unwanted male attention, it shelters you from the intense sun, and lastly, it takes the guesswork out of what to wear each day.

In different parts of the country, the hijab changes. In some parts like Kurdistan, and Baluchistan the hijab is much more colourful and casual. While in urban centres black seems to dominate though many times it comes in the form of a skin-tight mantou, in addition to extremely heavy makeup, and bleach blond hair popping out from under the headscarf. The Iranian hijab is open to personal interpretation, unlike other countries in the region.

IPS: You traveled from Iran's Baluchistan, which has been a target by rebels in recent years, groups like Jondollah, who have carried out a series of kidnappings. Weren't you afraid of being kidnapped?

MM: Everyone told me I should be afraid, but I was also told that if I went that I would have a police escort with me anytime I left my guest house, as well as a police motorcade if I decide to travel from one city to the next. I went and found this to in fact to be true. The police made sure that nothing happened to me.

IPS: What do people think of these groups?

MM: The people I spoke with are scared of them and do not travel to that region because of these groups. Those who believe that the U.S. is funding these groups are angry that an outside force is disrupting the peace in their country.

IPS: Do they follow the U.S. elections?

MM: Yes. Many expressed they felt [Democrat Barack] Obama was a man of peace and therefore the man for the job, while others felt that [Republican John] McCain was their preference since he has a 'heavy hand'. I was surprised to meet some people who agree with the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan; however, the majority of people I met are very sad about what is happening to their neighbours. They know that the outcome of November's elections may affect them.

IPS: What's people general opinion about their government, and particularly President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad?

MM: Most people I met said they do not feel that Ahmadinejad represents them. Most said that since he came to power their country has gone backwards and that they are suffering, especially economically.


IPS: What kind of people did you meet, and how religious did you find ordinary people in different cities to be?

MM: I met a variety of people, but most I met do not consider themselves to be 'very religious.' Still, they love Islam and the Koran, yet they do not go to mosque every day; among the younger set, I did not meet many who even pray every day. The 'very religious people' I did meet were very kind and open to me; they seemed very tolerant.

IPS: What are major differences you saw in Iran versus neighbouring countries?

MM: From what both Sunni and Shiite people told me, it seems Shiite people are more modern in dress, and more flexible in their interpretation of their religion than their Sunni neighbors. Women also are more present in Shiite society, and seem to be a bigger part of the workforce than the neighbouring countries I have been to. At night-time, society is very alive -- parks are packed with families enjoying meals and music; women are out late, laughing, enjoying themselves, and even smoking hookah.

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isn't it discrimination?


the problem with you is:

business...business...business.

armenian christians were massacred in thousands but, you kept quick because of business.

when taliban bombed and destroyed statue, you kept quit because of pipeline business. you then supported talibans.

there are numerous examples like that.

God has given you power and authority, for what???

for expansion of business???

or,

to help helpless????

you have no words for saudi arabia because saudi arabia gives you business.

isn't it true???

you have no faith, no religion, no principle, except business.

business is your jesus, business is your God, business is your principle, business is your hope.

business...business...business.

2+2+2+2+2

keep counting your wealth and business transactions, and let the helpless die.

what else, any one can expect from you.




ustrader


Nice one sided propaganda stories Muckmood, but if you don’t mind, we should share a tad bit more of contextual situation and facts surrounding this traitors real story.
You say “Native Iranian Reza Rezaee, a naturalized US citizen, said he lost his job at Robins Air Force Base because of his trips to Iran.



Having some security clearance and psych ops experience, I can tell you that when they use the terms ” indication of "foreign influence." One has been or is directly or indirectly linked to Foreign Intelligence agencies by some form of contact and or by family contact or association thus have been caught in a provable lie, when they said they have not had such contact and or association either directly or indirectly.

What you are not saying is that your “loyal Iranian American Citizens here was adjudicated as not worthy of holding a security clearance in 2005, over 3 years ago, which comes with it many levels of appeals, as all people are entitled to who are “granted” Security Clearances that are revoked. He and or his family were proven to have had foreign influence via your Ministry of Intelligence, or “Pasdaran” by not only him, but his wife as well. They proved that in 2005, and oddly, since, he has had further contact with these same foreign influence agencies in Iran, thus he has been fired.

Next may come revocation of his and his families naturalized citizenship if the activities and charges are substantial.

As to this other Irish Immigrant naturalized American, Michelle May of San Francisco’s God Dam-n America MF’s. First let us get her innocent persona clarified as to who and what she is all about.

Perspective, as EnglishSoak and I spoke of is what it is all about that one’s perspective that forms A REALITY is not necessarily THE ENTIRE REALITY. Sweet San Fran anti-Military and America values here, is a well know activists, who has an Irish passport, that she used, improperly to travel to Iran, like your fired, likely spy, friend, who used his Iranian passport, as US Citizens cannot enter Iran without an “official government-approved tour guide with them at all times.”

The source of your story and every regurgitation of it since this San Francisco God Dam-n America sympathizer has returned, came from no other source than one you know well.





http://persianthoughts.wordpress.com/2008/...oliday-in-iran/

What part of the following do you not find reasonably suspicious, ” Although U.S. citizens are not allowed to travel in Iran without an official government-approved tour guide with them at all times, May used her Irish passport and was able to travel independently.” May is also a member of several Anti-Bush and Anti-Military. War groups in the San Francisco Area.



Thanks for the propaganda at least it was not photo-shopped as a great Iranian success story.

Do you and your idiot friends in America think we are not going examine you as potential threats when you go to nations and associate with people, who may be more than just ordinary Citizens of these countries. I mean get real, your terrorist friends are such cowards they dress in evil females Burkas to hide from us, have women blow themselves up who are unaware they are even going to do it, and love to hide among civilians to get as many of them killed as they can, if they get killed..

These are exactly the kind of people we need to keep an eye on, Muckmood. Surely if it good enough for Iran to watch arrest and criminals suspected intelligent operatives, it is good enough for us, hey Muckmood.

P.S. My neighbor of 13 years is a single women, a fine human being, from Iran. She escaped after the revolution with her life after she caught her husband with another women and he just said she was cheating on him, and they arrested her instead of him.

She has not been able to see here 3 children in 26 years nor will they even write her. Her family told her she was convicted of adultry and was sentenced, then, to stoning to death at the time. She escape by sea to Qatar just weeks before her trail. Her husband did not even have to produce a witness or prove his claim, the burden of innocence was hers to prove she said. Is that discrimination Muckmoody?


That is all!!
hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 4 2008, 11:00 AM) *
Nice one sided propaganda stories Muckmood, but if you don't mind, we should share a tad bit more of contextual situation and facts surrounding this traitors real story.
You say "Native Iranian Reza Rezaee, a naturalized US citizen, said he lost his job at Robins Air Force Base because of his trips to Iran.

Having some security clearance and psych ops experience, I can tell you that when they use the terms " indication of "foreign influence." One has been or is directly or indirectly linked to Foreign Intelligence agencies by some form of contact and or by family contact or association thus have been caught in a provable lie, when they said they have not had such contact and or association either directly or indirectly.

What you are not saying is that your "loyal Iranian American Citizens here was adjudicated as not worthy of holding a security clearance in 2005, over 3 years ago, which comes with it many levels of appeals, as all people are entitled to who are "granted" Security Clearances that are revoked. He and or his family were proven to have had foreign influence via your Ministry of Intelligence, or "Pasdaran" by not only him, but his wife as well. They proved that in 2005, and oddly, since, he has had further contact with these same foreign influence agencies in Iran, thus he has been fired.

Next may come revocation of his and his families naturalized citizenship if the activities and charges are substantial.

As to this other Irish Immigrant naturalized American, Michelle May of San Francisco's God Dam-n America MF's. First let us get her innocent persona clarified as to who and what she is all about.

Perspective, as EnglishSoak and I spoke of is what it is all about that one's perspective that forms A REALITY is not necessarily THE ENTIRE REALITY. Sweet San Fran anti-Military and America values here, is a well know activists, who has an Irish passport, that she used, improperly to travel to Iran, like your fired, likely spy, friend, who used his Iranian passport, as US Citizens cannot enter Iran without an "official government-approved tour guide with them at all times."

The source of your story and every regurgitation of it since this San Francisco God Dam-n America sympathizer has returned, came from no other source than one you know well.


What part of the following do you not find reasonably suspicious, " Although U.S. citizens are not allowed to travel in Iran without an official government-approved tour guide with them at all times, May used her Irish passport and was able to travel independently." May is also a member of several Anti-Bush and Anti-Military. War groups in the San Francisco Area.

Thanks for the propaganda at least it was not photo-shopped as a great Iranian success story.

Do you and your idiot friends in America think we are not going examine you as potential threats when you go to nations and associate with people, who may be more than just ordinary Citizens of these countries. I mean get real, your terrorist friends are such cowards they dress in evil females Burkas to hide from us, have women blow themselves up who are unaware they are even going to do it, and love to hide among civilians to get as many of them killed as they can, if they get killed..

These are exactly the kind of people we need to keep an eye on, Muckmood. Surely if it good enough for Iran to watch arrest and criminals suspected intelligent operatives, it is good enough for us, hey Muckmood.

P.S. My neighbor of 13 years is a single women, a fine human being, from Iran. She escaped after the revolution with her life after she caught her husband with another women and he just said she was cheating on him, and they arrested her instead of him.

She has not been able to see here 3 children in 26 years nor will they even write her. Her family told her she was convicted of adultry and was sentenced, then, to stoning to death at the time. She escape by sea to Qatar just weeks before her trail. Her husband did not even have to produce a witness or prove his claim, the burden of innocence was hers to prove she said. Is that discrimination Muckmoody?


That is all!!


you said:

"One has been or is directly or indirectly linked to Foreign Intelligence agencies by some form of contact and or by family contact or association thus have been caught in a provable lie, when they said they have not had such contact and or association either directly or indirectly."

you said:

"Security Clearances" !!!!

security clearencess for single iranian individual "Reza Rezaee" !!!!

and,

According to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, the whole ben laden family was allowed to fly to saudi arabia on Sept. 14, 2001 !!!!

while 90% terrorists belonged to saudi arabia ???

well well well.

business...business...business ???
ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 4 2008, 06:42 PM) *
you said:

"One has been or is directly or indirectly linked to Foreign Intelligence agencies by some form of contact and or by family contact or association thus have been caught in a provable lie, when they said they have not had such contact and or association either directly or indirectly."

you said:

"Security Clearances" !!!! Muckmood READ YOUR OWN PROPAGANDA, His plight is ALL about his revoked security Clearance, what secret projects his comnpoany works on, and epecially what he and his family did after that. You would have hung an American in Iran under the same circumtances you know.

As they say sometimes you can lead a camel to water;
BUT HE WILL ONLY DRINK COOL AID, hey Muschmood.


security clearencess for single iranian individual "Reza Rezaee" !!!!

and,

According to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, the whole ben laden family was allowed to fly to saudi arabia on Sept. 14, 2001 !!!!

Unlike you Muckmood obviously, I do not believe every Muslim is a terrorists, but I think you know best. ohmy.gif


while 90% terrorists belonged to saudi arabia ???

well well well. Is this a which came first, the Chicken and or the egg question Muckmood?

business...business...business ???

hussainmehdi
What is manner?

Manner is care.
Manner is hospitality.
Manner is sacrifice.
Manner is to be able to feel the tears of others.

Manner is that that you feel it that you cannot dine and sleep until your neighbor or anyone else in your surrounding or in your sphere of influence is hungry and looking towards sky for a small…little piece of bread. How can you sleep, if you have manners?

Manner does not require invitation, manner speaks itself.
Manner reminds you that you are all human beings.
Manner delights you when all are happy, not only you.
Manner has its own principles.
Manner is your inside.
Manner is your behavior.
Manner is your beauty.
Manner is your fruit.
Manner is your flower.
Manner is your life.

What is business?

Business is:
“oh, I am hungry.”
“ok, you are hungry, I have money, you have beautiful body! Let’s make a deal!”

Business is:
“oh, I am in trouble.”
“ok, you are in trouble, then do it for me and I will take care of your trouble.”

Business is:
“Oh, I am dying.”
“ok, I can save you, but first sign this contract.”

Business is:
“oh, I am poor.”
“ok, I can take care of your poverty, but first accept this deal.”

Business is:
“oh, they are about to bomb statue.”
“yes! I know, but I have pipe line deal with them.”

What is your choice?

Business or Manner?
Selfish Deals or Selfless Care?
Motherhood or Falsehood?
ustrader
name='hussainmehdi' date='Sep 5 2008, 07:58 PM' post='105447


Manner is care. or no care.

Manner is hospitality. or inhospitality

Manner is sacrifice. you mean surrender

Manner is to be able to feel the tears of others. Or feel the tears another has brought on.

Manner is that that you feel it that you cannot dine and sleep until your neighbor or anyone else in your surrounding or in your sphere of influence is hungry and looking towards sky for a small…little piece of bread. How can you sleep, if you have manners?

Or before going to sleep, either giving your needy neighbor what he is without, or better yet, teaching him how to get what he wants by his own means.

Manner does not require invitation, manner speaks itself. Has does uninvited manners speak for themselves.

Manner reminds you that you are all human beings. They also remind by deed who is and is not mannered in intent and behavior as being a quality human being, verse one of non quality, as a human being Humans are not equal except in Biology, but being him goes far beyind common biology.

Manner delight you when all are happy, not only you. As they disenchant you and make you sad.

Manner has its own principles. Depending on who and what they as well can prove, they can be equally unprincipled as well

Manner is your inside. But more about what you do on the outside with them than having them on the inside unattending with them as they are intended on the outside.

Manner is your behavior. As well behavior can be good and bad, depending on the manners and who and what they are effecting and in what way.

Manner is your beauty. Good manners can be measured in quality perhaps as to being civilized and thus comfortable but Beautiful , perhaps not?

Manner is your fruit. I think you perhaps need more fruit and whole lot less cool aid, don’t you think?

Manner is your flower. Cactus has a flower you know, is that your thorny flower?

Manner is your life. Is a way of life, if it is your life, your are focused way to narrowly on a range of cool aid flavors.

What is business? Good as good gets.

Business is:
“oh, I am hungry.” Meaning you have never had a business, perhaps a union though.

“ok, you are hungry, I have money, you have beautiful body! Let’s make a deal!” Thanks for the compliment, blink.gif popcorn.gif but No Deal thank you?

Business is:
“oh, I am in trouble.” To much cool aid Muckmood, its wiping out your brain cells you know.

“ok, you are in trouble, then do it for me and I will take care of your trouble.” Cool Aid danger zone, explosion imminent!!

Business is:
“Oh, I am dying.” Obviously you have no faith in God's providence.

“ok, I can save you, but first sign this contract.” More obviously you have no faith in God providence.

Business is:
“oh, I am poor.” Find freedom, capitalism, like in America, and you will have a better chance to not be poor.

ok, I can take care of your poverty, but first accept this deal.” Cool Aid danger zone, explosion imminent!!


Business is:
“oh, they are about to bomb statue.” Too late Cool Aid explosion!

“yes! I know, but I have pipe line deal with them.” Emergeny staff on the way to clear scene of tragic mind expolson


What is your choice? Freedom and Democarcy and yours is what exactly?


Business or Manner?
Selfish Deals or Selfless Care? Or nanny state dependent slaves held in nanny state slavery.

Motherhood or Falsehood? Yellow or Pink?

QUOTE
It is true soft words and manners have sometimes made the difficult pass, but arms and will in a well-mannered free society are good when they may have to defend their well mannered society against ill mannered dangerous societies. So remember a pointed finger is but four fingers pointing back at you.-Trader



That is all!!
hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 6 2008, 11:42 AM) *
Business is:
"oh, I am poor." Find freedom, capitalism, like in America, and you will have a better chance to not be poor.
That is all!!


if, united states acted immediately when talibans bombed and destroyed statue, then there would be no 911 later.

but, united states of bush kept silence because of pipe line deals.

this is called corporate capitalism, where you consider business first while endangering lives of millions of people.

capitalism never sacrifice its iterests.
capitalism is an animal like 'lion' that hunts deals without mercy.
capitalism transforms right to wrong and wrong to right just to make deals.
capitalism only protects corporate interests but not the people's wishes.
capitalism treats human beings like a lot of fishes in a pond, where they stage small fish hunt to make deals.
capitalism treats human beings as fishes where big fish eats small fish.

i know that you admire capitalism because you do not consider yourself as human being but a big fish with dangerous corporate jaws.

thanks for educating.
ustrader
quote name='hussainmehdi' date='Sep 6 2008, 08:56 PM' post='105495'

if, united states acted immediately when talibans bombed and destroyed statue, then there would be no 911 later.

Muckmood, the Taliban did bomb a statue but is was a 1,700 year old carving of Buddha, having nothing to do with you cool aid overdose commentary here about some unknown bombing of some US Statue.”



but, united states of bush kept silence because of pipe line deals.

Repeating the same thing gets 2 demerits for cool aid duplicity

this is called corporate capitalism, where you consider business first while endangering lives of millions of people.

Bloviating without evidence or support is the bloat of a true propagandist, muchmood, did that come from Friday Prayer with the Mullahs of deceit?

capitalism never sacrifice its iterests.

Obviously a person who knows nothing about capitalism, because RISK is sacrifice. Cool aid.

capitalism is an animal like 'lion' that hunts deals without mercy.

Only the strong can afford mercy, the weak merely argue the strong do not have any mercy, wrong cool aid again Muckmood.

capitalism transforms right to wrong and wrong to right just to make deals.

hmm, a tough one, let me see your cool aid logic on capitalism is, it is but a + that equals a – and – that equals a + in cool aid ambiguity of some unsaid abstracts of what is right and wrong from the cool aid point of view.. Muckmood… Please, aren’t you embarrassed by this rhythm of cool aid blues you sing and chant?

capitalism only protects corporate interests but not the people's wishes.

O yeah the liberal myth that wealth is evil and making jobs for people is bad, because everyone should be equal, by lowering the bar to its lowest of all levels in some false ideal that will make a social economic utopia instead of what it does every time it has been attempted, requiring the best, to be suppressed by authoritarianism like in China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba and Iran to name the true roses of egalitarianism, first and foremost..

capitalism treats human beings like a lot of fishes in a pond, where they stage small fish hunt to make deals.

My over exposed cool aid drinker, human existence has always treated humans like fish in a pond, some eaten to make others strong, some of the weaker to their demise, leaving the strongest to foster better in changing environments and evolutional changes. Nature tells that story in god’s providence if you believe in such, the beasts of this earth eternally in air, sea and land, have never been egalitarian and man, no more than another of the earth's beast, who THINKS he is more, have never been equal either.


capitalism treats human beings as fishes where big fish eats small fish. SEE ABOVE

QUOTE
Life is in its simplest form but the pursuit of being strong enough to face lives inevitable and constant challenges designed in providence to rid the weak from existence.-Trader


i know that you admire capitalism because you do not consider yourself as human being but a big fish with dangerous corporate jaws.

You know more about presumptiveness than me, but any whoose, I do admire capitalism where the cream can rise from the bottom on its own efforts and ability. The rest is your cool aid overdose exploding in your mindlessness hyperbolic and hubris.

thanks for educating.

education is process of inputs receptions and outputs, obviously a process you feel your not getting here, hey Muckmood.

THAT IS ALL!!
hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 7 2008, 09:19 AM) *
THAT IS ALL!!


if, united states acted immediately when talibans bombed and destroyed statue, then there would be no 911 later.

Muckmood, the Taliban did bomb a statue but is was a 1,700 year old carving of Buddha, having nothing to do with you cool aid overdose commentary here about some unknown bombing of some US Statue.”


if, united states identified the danger then, and blocked the activities of talibans, then problem would not increase to a dangerous level, as we witnessed later. united states should have identified the trend then. but, all kept low due to pipe line deal.


this is called corporate capitalism, where you consider business first while endangering lives of millions of people.

Bloviating without evidence or support is the bloat of a true propagandist, muchmood, did that come from Friday Prayer with the Mullahs of deceit?


mullahs of Iran are much better than "mullahs of corporate". mullahs of iran never sat with talibans or qaeda or ben laden or saddam. but mullahs of corporate sat with them accordingly whenever they found an opportunity of deal. principle is no matter for corporate mullahs.

i do not oppose the basic idea of capitalism, which of course is better, but i deffinitly oppose the corporate related wars every where. this is dry branch of capitalism.

capitalism is an animal like 'lion' that hunts deals without mercy.

Only the strong can afford mercy, the weak merely argue the strong do not have any mercy, wrong cool aid again Muckmood.


oh yes! strong can afford mercy... for whom??? what microsoft negotiates with yahoo,... is this mercy??? this is not mercy. this is deal.


capitalism only protects corporate interests but not the people's wishes.

O yeah the liberal myth that wealth is evil and making jobs for people is bad, because everyone should be equal, by lowering the bar to its lowest of all levels in some false ideal that will make a social economic utopia instead of what it does every time it has been attempted, requiring the best, to be suppressed by authoritarianism like in China, Russia, Venezuela, Cuba and Iran to name the true roses of egalitarianism, first and foremost..


who says that wealth is evil ??? who says that making job for people is bad??? who? I ?? No! i didn't say that ever. are you talking to me or your grand grand grand pa??? every thing has different utilizations. its the hand that uses it. if, the hand is principled then things will settle in the right direction. Robot of destruction can not create flowers.


capitalism treats human beings like a lot of fishes in a pond, where they stage small fish hunt to make deals.

My over exposed cool aid drinker, human existence has always treated humans like fish in a pond, some eaten to make others strong, some of the weaker to their demise, leaving the strongest to foster better in changing environments and evolutional changes. Nature tells that story in god’s providence if you believe in such, the beasts of this earth eternally in air, sea and land, have never been egalitarian and man, no more than another of the earth's beast, who THINKS he is more, have never been equal either.


Cool aid drinker, what is this and what do mean by this??? you mean food for oil? human being is not fish, so, there is no need to know either pool is cool or drinkable. there should be a difference between beast and human beings and i believe in this difference.

by the way, its you who once said that human beings should be categorized??? so, fish is another category of human being invented by you or any one else??? how many more categories you have in your chart for human beings???





hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 7 2008, 09:19 AM) *
THAT IS ALL!!



i know that you admire capitalism because you do not consider yourself as human being but a big fish with dangerous corporate jaws.

You know more about presumptiveness than me, but any whoose, I do admire capitalism where the cream can rise from the bottom on its own efforts and ability. The rest is your cool aid overdose exploding in your mindlessness hyperbolic and hubris.


cream ???

bush is cream of the societies of the united states???

by God, please say this putting your hands on bible, please.

ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 8 2008, 10:00 PM) *
i know that you admire capitalism because you do not consider yourself as human being but a big fish with dangerous corporate jaws.

You know more about presumptiveness than me, but any whoose, I do admire capitalism where the cream can rise from the bottom on its own efforts and ability. The rest is your cool aid overdose exploding in your mindlessness hyperbolic and hubris.


cream ???

bush is cream of the societies of the united states???


I am truely sorry for your BDS, I understand there is no cure and as time goes on, it limits and narrows one to but a pea molecule focus on the world around them.

You must come to the US as I hear besides Dissents, Homosexual, women and children that do not obey the manly men of Iran, they kill the infirmed with this affliction.

by God, please say this putting your hands on bible, please.

Okay, By God, I put hand on the bible and say, it is true, you have BDS.



That is all!!


hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 9 2008, 10:01 AM) *
I am truely sorry for your BDS, I understand there is no cure and as time goes on, it limits and narrows one to but a pea molecule focus on the world around them.

You must come to the US as I hear besides Dissents, Homosexual, women and children that do not obey the manly men of Iran, they kill the infirmed with this affliction.

Okay, By God, I put hand on the bible and say, it is true, you have BDS.


you mean BDS mortgage group ???
oh, now i know you are a financial advisor to BDS, isn't it true???

how many lenders can you manage in a package???
sorry, i should ask instead, how many fishes can you manage at once in a pond???

can you manage artificial production of such fishes for commercial reasons??

what is the age of these artificial fishes...???
hussainmehdi
Lipstick?
Why we call it lipstick?
Why don’t we call ‘toothbrush’ as ‘toothstick’ ?

Ok, toothbrush has brush as a head on the top of the stick, that’s why we call it toothbrush.
But, lipstick also has a kind of substance on its top, so why don’t we call it ‘lip cream’ or else???

Would you like to comment on it trader?
Or should I ask this to sarah palin?
ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 9 2008, 08:59 PM) *
you mean BDS mortgage group ???

No never heard of them

oh, now i know you are a financial advisor to BDS, isn't it true???

No. I retired at the age of 42. did work for at DHS just after 9/11 for 2 years though, to assist, in a small way in "looking for you guys money. I understand the program has been very very successful in finding your kinds money, though. Lose any yet, well what you will.

BDS = Bush Derangment Syndrome Muckmood, and you got it BIG TIME, my cool aid drinker who hates the Ozarks, key Muckmood.


how many lenders can you manage in a package???


sorry, i should ask instead, how many fishes can you manage at once in a pond???

[color=red Ask and answered 10 demerits!



can you manage artificial production of such fishes for commercial reasons??

Well not artifical, but real. I once donated some monies to a tribal Trout Fishery production site years ago that releases many mountain raindow trout into the mountain lstreams rivers and lakes surrounding the reservation and in National parks, does that count?

what is the age of these artificial fishes...???


I am not sure if they age them, but what they do is induce egg laying, then as they grow, they catch and disperse the differing sizes into different running stream ponds, until they reach the final pond and release size. Then they suck them up into a truck tank and then go to pre-planned release sites, like mountain streams, Rivers and lakes and release them to keep good stock levels up. It provides a good income for the reservation from the National Game and Fishery guys. Does that help?

THAT IS ALL!

ustrader
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 11 2008, 07:21 AM) *
Lipstick?
Why we call it lipstick?
Why don’t we call ‘toothbrush’ as ‘toothstick’ ?

Ok, toothbrush has brush as a head on the top of the stick, that’s why we call it toothbrush.
But, lipstick also has a kind of substance on its top, so why don’t we call it ‘lip cream’ or else???

Would you like to comment on it trader?
Or should I ask this to sarah palin?
[color=rd] If not sarah, but she might mistake your iran haryness fro a moosze and that would be very bad for you. You migh Try Michelle Obama she more like you Anti-American and all.




I am sure your Burka ladies have no need for such a thing and will be no help. Though, my Iranian next door neighbor for many years is very Hot in a
bikini and when dolled up western style.

To bad you guys would kill her if she came back because of her slummy unfaithful husbands lies to coverup his being such a unmanly man. She is very intelligent and real good human being, I admire her struggle against your 8th century male dominate mentality and backwardness toward women and the world at large.



That is all!

hussainmehdi
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 11 2008, 11:11 AM) *


why should i hate ozarks, if you mean the ones who live in missouri. you, yourself mention a thing and even before my comments you impose your decision upon me.

at least, you donated...good news, although you didn't explain that what happened then with little fish. no one has ability to digest your aid, even if it comes to fish.

nice paragraph. i know what you are trying to tell...but cant tell openly.
you deal fish?
or, you let the fish deal, and you show yourself after the deal between fish. poor fish.

No..no! sarah is nice.
your 'iranian next door neighbor' is not a cinema scope of iran. you may keep listening her theories and then feel a sensation that mullah is down. she may be a good time consumption for you but if she is a real woman from iran then she will keep iran's respect and honor above all.
hussainmehdi
Matt Brown quit as New South Wales police minister, was forced to resign Thursday, just three days into the job, after stripping down to his underpants and dancing at a parliamentary staff party???

oh my God!
australian govt has become "mullah govt" ???

what is your comment trader?
only for stripping and dancing ????
very sad.
hussainmehdi
isn't it an effort to 'mullahization' of australia???

shouldn't we unite and start struggle against australian govt, the same way as we struggle against 'mullahization' of iran ???
hussainmehdi
Spokesman of Parliament's National Security and Foreign Policy Commission of Iran, Kazem Jalali said on 26th Nov 2008, in an international conference on ‘Mankind security’ that:

“Respect for divine values, sanctities and religions is a part of human rights, in line with mankind security.”

"In this respect, insulting sanctities, values and beliefs of the people and interference in their private lives equals violating mankind's security."

"The people in charge of drafting the practical definition for mankind security can actually consider such behaviors contrary to mankind's peace of mind and human security."

"If we would consider the preservation of human being’s prestige as one of the human rights we should also have to consider the entire cases of belittling and ignoring the personality of human beings as violation of such a right."


“The international organs claiming to be the defenders of the human rights and the guardians of mankind security should at least hear the cries of those oppressed people and end filling their ears with cotton, claiming to be deaf."

“The human beings demand peaceful conditions for living and government’s respect for their private lives, Interference in private lives of the human beings practically deprives people of peace of mind and is against human security."

“Such interferences can even lead to some kinds of mental problems for the people.”

"After the occurrence of the 9/11 events some big world powers resorting to the pretext of campaign against terrorism practically began eavesdropping the ordinary people's phone lines, controlling people's e-mails, and adopting other such measures, which seems to be in need of deep scrutiny in line with the meaning of mankind security."
ustrader






That is all!
hussainmehdi
how a baby (age group from one day to six or seven months) learns from the circumstances?

with out having burdon of language, words and grammars.

but what a baby learns during that period of time, never forgets for the rest of life.

what a strange and strong communication system?

without propaganda,
without tvs,
without tons of jpegs.

circumstances of truth have their own communication, that do not require tons of jpegs to make an impression.

very easy to understand,
very difficult to copy.

ustrader
JFG's


THAT IS ALL!!
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hussainmehdi
there is a big difference between art and propaganda.

noble and wise people can differentiate between these two.

thanks God!
noble and wise people live in both countries in majority.
ustrader


QUOTE
To be good is noble but the pretence of being noble, well, it is akin to running away from trouble, its nobility is transparent, like suicide, it appears bravely noble in facing death, when in truth, it’s noble pretenders’ most noble aspect is but an escape that does not equalize a balance between noble rationality and reality, as pretended, but, merely prevents attainment of being good and noble for ever more.

The noble pretender is like terrorism it is in part effective propaganda as it serves to deflect attention away from its abuses of humanity toward a mostly imagined noble dangerous pretense which is to defuse its disciple’s awareness of the enemy within from the enemy without.




One Door Opens, while another closes, wherefrom, the end is just the beginning.
hussainmehdi
artist has eyes.
art has eyes,

but,

artist can see,
art cannot.
hussainmehdi
Iran, considering imprisonment in violation of the essence of punishment, could shut down its places of confinement, says minister.

"Iranian Judiciary has made considerable effort to introduce alternative punishments instead of imprisonment," Iranian Minister of Justice Gholam-Hossein Elham said Thursday.

He also said that the government was trying to simulate non-confined circumstances for the inmates by increasing the prison facilities and providing apprenticeship-training programs for them.

Iran's judiciary chief Ayatollah Seyyed Mahmoud Shahroudi said in November that popular participation, promotion of culture, and creating the superstructure of a modern judicial system are all vital in helping to attain an improved judicial system.

4th Dec. 2008.
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