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MrLeft
....and I couldn't help but think that these people are the dumbest people in the United States.

Guiliani saying that McCain got it right and Obama got it wrong when referring to Iraq?????? laugh.gif

Talking about morals and you have a VP's daughter who's pregnant at 17????

And then just looking at the faces of these people....fat, grey-haired, suited, country-clubbers who believe that GOD can get us out of the mess we're in....


They're not just idiots, they're stupid idiots!
Roadster
QUOTE (MrLeft @ Sep 4 2008, 03:11 PM) *
....and I couldn't help but think that these people are the dumbest people in the United States.

Guiliani saying that McCain got it right and Obama got it wrong when referring to Iraq?????? laugh.gif

Talking about morals and you have a VP's daughter who's pregnant at 17????

And then just looking at the faces of these people....fat, grey-haired, suited, country-clubbers who believe that GOD can get us out of the mess we're in....


They're not just idiots, they're stupid idiots!


If we have the utter stupidity to elect four more years of the same crooks, liars and lobbyists, the same arrogant, devious, lying, retarded, repressive, regressive criminal scum that's now in the White House, we probably deserve what we'll get; a continuation of the same stupid denial of global warming and of evolution, the same ignorant Christian fundamentalism, the same ignorance of the law and of science, the same screw job we are now getting from these crooked demagogs, the self serving, low-life, murdering, warmongering banana Republicans.
John L
I don't call Republicans "S&Gs" for nothing. That means "Stupid and Gutless". And they are. They haven't got the wherewithall to combat the Democrats, which they could do easily, if they thought about it. And too, they lack the courage to carry things through. I'm talking leadership here.

However, I can forgive them,.........a little anyway.

The Jackasses! Forget it! Jackasses are totally worthless, deceitful, back stabbing, and want to confiscate YOUR Individual Liberties and give them back as Group rights. They also want to Confiscate Your hard earned money, and redistribute it to others, who have not earned it.

They are also Fascist in nature, in that they constantly want to use the government to heavily regulate and control the means of production(that is what the REAL definition of Fascism is). It's all Left Wing Collectivist ClapTrap, and they should be taken down and ground into the dirt. I absolutely Dispise Jackasses, far more thatn S&GS. S&Gs are too stupid to know better. Jackasses DO know better, yet they want to enslave you to the State.

Unfortunately, like you two have stated, the S&Gs are just too stupid and gutless to do anything about that.
MrLeft
I understand that you can be a Conservative and you can also be a decent, honest, good person who knows what he/she's talking about. Obviously...

But at the same time - I question whether you can be a loyal Republican and be all that, too. Not with the clay-brained dinosaurs who're running the party at the moment.

Say what you want about the Democrats - the Republicans have become a party of idiots. McCain should have stuck to his year 2000, "Straight Talk" ways. What he's doing now is leading a convention that puts all of Bush's failures on a pedestal; everything from the arrogance of Bush's foreign policy, insisting he's right on Iraq, continuing the War on Terror as it is, mixing this emotive religion with politics, to just plain being dirty and ridiculing the other side without any real thought... I don't know how an out-of-the-box thinker can't be sickened!

Let me take a guess as to your response... "and I suppose you think the Democrats are perfect?"

Not to put words in your mouth - but I just want to preempt that kind of response and encourage Republicans to see this charade for what it is. They're dressing up a nasty old pig all nice and putting it in a wedding dress and expecting you to say "I do" without a second thought... Not only that - they're doing it to you for the third time in 12 years, and expecting you to see something different and fresh in the same old tricks. What is it that they say? - the definition of insanity is making the same choice over and over and expecting a different result?
John L
QUOTE (MrLeft @ Sep 4 2008, 06:21 PM) *
I understand that you can be a Conservative and you can also be a decent, honest, good person who knows what he/she's talking about. Obviously...

But at the same time - I question whether you can be a loyal Republican and be all that, too. Not with the clay-brained dinosaurs who're running the party at the moment.

Say what you want about the Democrats - the Republicans have become a party of idiots. McCain should have stuck to his year 2000, "Straight Talk" ways. What he's doing now is leading a convention that puts all of Bush's failures on a pedestal; everything from the arrogance of Bush's foreign policy, insisting he's right on Iraq, continuing the War on Terror as it is, mixing this emotive religion with politics, to just plain being dirty and ridiculing the other side without any real thought... I don't know how an out-of-the-box thinker can't be sickened!

Let me take a guess as to your response... "and I suppose you think the Democrats are perfect?"

Not to put words in your mouth - but I just want to preempt that kind of response and encourage Republicans to see this charade for what it is. They're dressing up a nasty old pig all nice and putting it in a wedding dress and expecting you to say "I do" without a second thought... Not only that - they're doing it to you for the third time in 12 years, and expecting you to see something different and fresh in the same old tricks. What is it that they say? - the definition of insanity is making the same choice over and over and expecting a different result?


First off, I am not a 'so called' conservative. I am a Radical Right Wing Classic 19th century Liberal. 100 % of all living humans, with the exception of those in ICU, or the morgue, are conservative by nature, so it is a horrible description of a pollitical philosophy.

Also, I am not a Republican. I almost always vote Libertarian, because it is the closest to my ideology.

And yes, Republicans are Stupid and Gutless. But the Democrats are far worse, because almost 100% of the collectivists in this country, are in the Democrat Party. That includes Marxists, main line Socialists, but mostly Fascists. Oh, and don't bother protesting my "Fascist" part, because the definition of Fascism is quite simple. Unlike socialism, the State does not Own the means of production: it just regulates and controls the hell out of it. That, in a nutshell, is Fascism, and the US has been moving that direction since the advent of Woodrow Wilson.

Most leftists are nothing more than Fascists in disguise. And the left is the most economically ignorant group of ignoranuses I have ever seen. In other words, to them the study of economics is akin to Voodoo/Black Magic.

Bear with me now, this is a bit lengthy, like a "Trader" post, but it is worth the information.


QUOTE ("Dr John Ray")
"Fascism" is a term that was originally coined by the Italian dictator Mussolini to describe his adaptation of Marxism to the conditions of Italy after World War I. Lenin in Russia made somewhat different adaptations of Marxism to the conditions in Russia during the same period and his adaptations came to be called Marxism/Leninism. Mussolini stayed closer to Marx in that he felt that Italy had to go through a capitalist stage before it could reach socialism whereas Lenin attempted to push Russia straight from semi-feudalism into socialism. Mussolini's principal modification of Marxism was his rejection of the notion of class war, something that put him decisively at odds with Lenin's "Reds".

If the term "Fascism" means anything of itself it means "Groupism" -- as the fasci of Italy at the time were simply groups of political activists. The fasces of ancient Roman times were of course the bundles of rods carried by the lictors to symbolize the great strength of the organized Roman people. The idea again was that people were stronger in groups than as individuals.

Mussolini's ideas and system were very influential and he had many imitators -- not the least of which was Adolf Hitler -- and some even survived World War II -- such as Peron and Chiang Kai Shek. I have set out at length elsewhere what Mussolini's Italian Fascism was all about so I will simply summarize here by saying that Fascism was a nationalist form of extreme socialism whereas Trotskyism was/is a internationalist form of extreme socialism -- with Leninism being somewhere in between.

So was Mussolini a totally original thinker? Not at all. Students of ancient history see Sparta as the first Fascist State and students of Marx identify Fascism with "Bonapartism" (See Appendix 3 below) -- the type of regime devised by Napoleon Bonaparte and revived by his nephew Napoleon III. But Mussolini was quite intellectual and his thinking was in fact much more up-to-date than that would suggest. He was certainly influenced by Marx and the ancient world but he had a whole range of ideas that extended beyond that. And where did he turn for up-to-date ideas? To America, of course! And the American ideas that influenced him were in fact hard to miss. They were the ideas of the American "Progressives". And who was the best known Progressive in the world at that time? None other than the President of the United States -- Woodrow Wilson -- the man who was most responsible for the postwar order in Europe. So Mussolini had to do little more than read his newspapers to hear at least some things about the ideas of the very influential American Progressives. And who were the Progressives? Here is one summary of them:


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"Originally, progressive reformers sought to regulate irresponsible corporate monopoly, safeguarding consumers and labor from the excesses of the profit motive. Furthermore, they desired to correct the evils and inequities created by rapid and uncontrolled urbanization. Progressivism ..... asserted that the social order could and must be improved..... Some historians, like Richard Hofstadter and George Mowry, have argued that the progressive movement attempted to return America to an older, more simple, agrarian lifestyle. For a few progressives, this certainly was true. But for most, a humanitarian doctrine of social progress motivated the reforming spirit"



The summary of Progressivism above is from De Corte (1978). Against all his own evidence, De Corte also claims that the Progressives were "conservative". Why? Because there was something else about the Progressives that profoundly embarrasses both De Corte and all modern Leftists: The Progressives were keen eugenicists. So DeCorte tries to evade that. See here and here and also Pickens (1968) for the Leftist committment to eugenics prior to World War II.

Here is a brief summary of the "Progressive" era from a non-Leftist perspective:


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"The Progressive Era is a period of one big lie after another, crafted upon the false belief that modern government somehow could replace a free market, private property order and create an economy marked both by prosperity and "fairness." From "scientific" management to "enlightened" religion (called theological liberalism and, later, secularism) to Prohibition to "objective" journalism, the belief was that modern society had found the key to "onward and upward" progress."



And a scholarly summary can be found here in a book review of David W. Southern's book on the Progressive era. The following may be a useful excerpt:

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The Progressive movement swept America from roughly the early 1890s through the early 1920s, producing a broad popular consensus that government should be the primary agent of social change. To that end, legions of idealistic young crusaders, operating at the local, state, and federal levels, seized and wielded sweeping new powers and enacted a mountain of new legislation, including minimum wage and maximum hour laws, antitrust statutes, restrictions on the sale and consumption of alcohol, appropriations for hundreds of miles of roads and highways, assistance to new immigrants and the poor, women's suffrage, and electoral reform, among much else....

Yet the Progressive Era was also a time of vicious, state-sponsored racism. In fact, from the standpoint of African-American history, the Progressive Era qualifies as arguably the single worst period since Emancipation. The wholesale disfranchisement of Southern black voters occurred during these years, as did the rise and triumph of Jim Crow. Furthermore, as the Westminster College historian David W. Southern notes in his recent book, The Progressive Era and Race: Reform and Reaction, 1900-1917, the very worst of it-disfranchisement, segregation, race baiting, lynching-"went hand-in-hand with the most advanced forms of southern progressivism." Racism was the norm, not the exception, among the very crusaders romanticized by today's activist left.

At the heart of Southern's flawed but useful study is a deceptively simple question: How did reformers infused with lofty ideals embrace such abominable bigotry? His answer begins with the race-based pseudoscience that dominated educated opinion at the turn of the 20th century. "At college," Southern notes, "budding progressives not only read exposes of capitalistic barons and attacks on laissez-faire economics by muckraking journalists, they also read racist tracts that drew on the latest anthropology, biology, psychology, sociology, eugenics, and medical science."


the American "Progressives" of the late 19th and early 20th century were not only Leftists but they were also war-glorifying militarists. Hitler got not only his eugenic ideas from American Leftists but even his ideas about war being a purification of the national spirit etc. And who was it who said this?

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"Conformity will be the only virtue and any man who refuses to conform will have to pay the penalty."



Was it Adolf? It sounds very much like either Adolf or Mussolini at the height of their powers but it was in fact said while both Hitler and Mussolini were still in the trenches of World War I and it was said by the President of the United States, the arch-Progressive Woodrow Wilson. See here for that and many other ways (including book-burning) in which Adolf learnt from American leftists. History can be very surprising. Loberfeld's short history of progressivism has more on its militaristic aspects.

Wilson even foreshadowed Hitler's racism. Note this quote about his actions in 1912:


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"Upon taking power in Washington, Wilson and the many other Southerners he brought into his cabinet were disturbed at the way the federal government went about its own business. One legacy of post-Civil War Republican ascendancy was that Washington's large black populace had access to federal jobs, and worked with whites in largely integrated circumstances. Wilson's cabinet put an end to that, bringing Jim Crow to Washington. Wilson allowed various officials to segregate the toilets, cafeterias, and work areas of their departments".



So Wilson actually reversed more tolerant policies put in place by Republicans. Racism was very LEFTIST in Hitler's day. Leftists like to portray Wilson as a visionary. They neglect to mention that the future he envisioned was a racially segregated one.

Jonah Goldberg has a good summary of the Wilson administration too:


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Under Woodrow Wilson, the first American president to embrace the new cult of pragmatism and power that had overtaken “enlightened” thinkers on both sides of the Atlantic (and the first American president to openly disdain the U.S. Constitution), the progressives unleashed a crackdown on freedom that makes the supposed fascism of the McCarthy era and the Bush years seem like a teach-in at Smith College. Wilson established the American Protective League, a group of domestic fascisti charged with crushing dissent, beating “slackers,” and intimidating average Americans. Wilson’s Committee for Public Information was the first modern propaganda ministry. Indeed, according to the late sociologist and intellectual historian Robert Nisbet, the “West’s first real experience with totalitarianism — political absolutism extended into every possible area of culture and society, education, religion, industry, the arts, local community and family included, with a kind of terror always waiting in the wings — came with the American war state under Wilson.”[size]


Wilson was only the front runner, and FDR only continued the Fascist drift in the US, and both were JACKASSES! they took the very Jeffersonian/Gladstone Liberalism and trampled it under their uncaring hooves. The Progressives/Fascists destroyed the very party that Jefferson once held so dear, and May G-d D@mn them all!

I dispise Collectivism,and am dedicated to it's destruction. That is why I despise the Democrat Party so much. I wish all you Franco/German Socialists/Fascists would take the long hike to Euroland and continue polluting what is left of their civilization there, and leave the rest of the US to the Founder's intent.
SoloNav
QUOTE (MrLeft @ Sep 4 2008, 08:11 AM) *
....and I couldn't help but think that these people are the dumbest people in the United States.

Guiliani saying that McCain got it right and Obama got it wrong when referring to Iraq?????? laugh.gif

Talking about morals and you have a VP's daughter who's pregnant at 17????

And then just looking at the faces of these people....fat, grey-haired, suited, country-clubbers who believe that GOD can get us out of the mess we're in....


They're not just idiots, they're stupid idiots!

I'm sorry. But, I've just watched the beginning scenes of the RNC with my TiVo and have freeze-framed the audience. I beg to differ with you here, ML.

Yes, I see some grey-heads..........the majority were veterans......you know, the ones that have bought you the freedom to sit on your a.s.s in your air-conditioned den writing on about your contempt of them. ..........BUT, but..............I ALSO saw half of the audience being very young, young and young middle-age (black, hispanic, white, indian) supporters cheering their hearts out for him. I especially noted one grinning muscular young man in the back of the audience holding up and pumping his arms up and down, with both hands displaying the "v" for victory sign.

So, I suggest you go look at the same Tv program I'm watching..............to see how very, very wrong ( and wishful)you are. However, at your age you probs think that anyone over age 20 is old??

And, the crap about Palin's dtr being PG at 17, you know don't you, that Obama's mother was 18 and single when she had him? unsure.gif Double standard, or just incredibly ignorant (dare I say "stupid idiot")?



I guess you prefer Obama's crowd .......Communists?
MrLeft
Was Obama's mother out there on a soap box trying to tell everyone else how to live...?

Or was she just trying to live her own life and get by for herself?

I mean, since you brought up double standards and all. Care to address that one? popcorn.gif
SoloNav
QUOTE (MrLeft @ Sep 5 2008, 12:20 PM) *
Was Obama's mother out there on a soap box trying to tell everyone else how to live...?

Or was she just trying to live her own life and get by for herself?

I mean, since you brought up double standards and all. Care to address that one? popcorn.gif

I'm sorry. I didn't know that Palin was on a soapbox about pregnancy before marriage. Perhaps, you could enlighten me? Or, that her daughter was somehow not trying to live her own life and get by (if the liberal idiots would allow, that is)? Tell.

Would you like to address the rest of my post, as well, while you are at it?
Grizzly
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 5 2008, 04:44 PM) *
I'm sorry. I didn't know that Palin was on a soapbox about pregnancy before marriage. Perhaps, you could enlighten me? Or, that her daughter was somehow not trying to live her own life and get by (if the liberal idiots would allow, that is)? Tell.

Would you like to address the rest of my post, as well, while you are at it?
Hey Solo, I would like to ask you a question.

If the Democrats had a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate, that had a daughter, that was with child, and not married, in your opinion, would the 'religious right' go easy on that situation for that candidate?
SoloNav
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Sep 5 2008, 05:14 PM) *
Hey Solo, I would like to ask you a question.

If the Democrats had a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate, that had a daughter, that was with child, and not married, in your opinion, would the 'religious right' go easy on that situation for that candidate?

In my opinion, since you ask, the answer is "yes." Satisfied?

Why the hangup on this subject by your open-minded liberals? Where's the "compassion"? I can't remember the last time anyone that is a celebrity being single and pregnant that was raked over the coals, conservative or liberal. From anyone. Can you? It seems that the left is the ones that are making a big deal of this. Strange. Almost puritanistic. dry.gif

Or,is the liberal response better labeled "revenge." Your opinion.
LooseCannon
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 5 2008, 01:44 PM) *
I'm sorry. I didn't know that Palin was on a soapbox about pregnancy before marriage. [size="3"][/size] Perhaps, you could enlighten me? Or, that her daughter was somehow not trying to live her own life and get by (if the liberal idiots would allow, that is)? Tell.

Would you like to address the rest of my post, as well, while you are at it?



She's well known for being a strong advocate of abstinence in teenagers, actually.
SoloNav
QUOTE (LooseCannon @ Sep 5 2008, 04:38 PM) *
She's well known for being a strong advocate of abstinence in teenagers, actually.

And.............................
Grizzly
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 5 2008, 07:31 PM) *
And.............................

Solo: read John L's signature. wink.gif

QUOTE
Who says that there is no difference between the political parties? When Democrats are criticized, they counter-attack. When Republicans are criticized, they whine that they are innocent.-Dr Thomas Sowell


(Thinking: I guess I'm going to have to start reading this Sowell more often. I wonder if he has free columns?) laugh.gif
SoloNav
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Sep 5 2008, 07:05 PM) *
Solo: read John L's signature. wink.gif



(Thinking: I guess I'm going to have to start reading this Sowell more often. I wonder if he has free columns?) laugh.gif

Yes, John is a piece of work alright.
Do you know that on this site he writes TQ to be kind and mannerly to me for these new folks to see, but runs me down on his site simultaneously......still calling me the "Scorned Woman" because I took up for you over there and told him to get his act straight. I don't even post over there anymore and he's still talking about it. I'm sure my new husband wouldn't like that. laugh.gif laugh.gif He just won't let it die down.
SoloNav
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 5 2008, 08:43 PM) *
Yes, John is a piece of work alright.
Do you know that on this site he writes TQ to be kind and mannerly to me for these new folks to see, but runs me down on his site simultaneously......still calling me the "Scorned Woman" because I took up for you over there and told him to get his act straight. I don't even post over there anymore and he's still talking about it. I'm sure my new husband wouldn't like that. laugh.gif laugh.gif He just won't let it die down.

See here

John wrote:
So What!? Who cares? I don't. Why should you be all "vexed" over that? You are just like the Scorned Woman, or better yet, the ever lovable SoloNav. You are getting just like her TQ. I know you don't like that, but you two have this in common with each other. laugh.gif
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MrRight
She is selling her family SoloNav..
The first thing people say about her is that she has 5 children and did not abort the child with Down's. And her son going to Iraq, like as thought Joe Biden never existed. C' mon, Solo, what is she selling? Family. And who is going to vote for her? Family values Republicans.
Hypocrisy is when you refuse to admit that he(Obama) said, loudly and clearly for the deaf and dumb, that Palin's family is off limits because his OWN MOTHER had him when she was 18.
But the Dems are not sick enough to use their family to win respect. And votes.
SoloNav
QUOTE (MrRight @ Sep 5 2008, 09:09 PM) *
She is selling her family SoloNav..
The first thing people say about her is that she has 5 children and did not abort the child with Down's. And her son going to Iraq, like as thought Joe Biden never existed. C' mon, Solo, what is she selling? Family. And who is going to vote for her? Family values Republicans.
Hypocrisy is when you refuse to admit that he(Obama) said, loudly and clearly for the deaf and dumb, that Palin's family is off limits because his OWN MOTHER had him when she was 18.
But the Dems are not sick enough to use their family to win respect. And votes.

Have no idea what you are talking about. Each candidate running for office since Washington has used their strengths to appeal to their voters. Obama sells what he think are his that will appeal, ditto with Palin. That's how voters pick who to vote for. The next thing you'll say she used being a hockey mom as a tool. <shrug>

So???

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John L
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 5 2008, 09:43 PM) *
Yes, John is a piece of work alright.
Do you know that on this site he writes TQ to be kind and mannerly to me for these new folks to see, but runs me down on his site simultaneously......still calling me the "Scorned Woman" because I took up for you over there and told him to get his act straight. I don't even post over there anymore and he's still talking about it. I'm sure my new husband wouldn't like that. laugh.gif laugh.gif He just won't let it die down.


I stand by my words Solo. You are the Classic "woman scorned" type, and you have a vindictive personality. Nothing new here.

But I also think TQ should be civil to you, because he would be on the same level as you for his bad mouth. And what is wrong with expecting him to be decent?
SoloNav
QUOTE (John L @ Sep 6 2008, 07:42 AM) *
I stand by my words Solo. You are the Classic "woman scorned" type, and you have a vindictive personality. Nothing new here.

But I also think TQ should be civil to you, because he would be on the same level as you for his bad mouth. And what is wrong with expecting him to be decent?

Vindictive? Scorned? TQ the same level as me? You are joking, right? Too funny. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Who just won't let this go? You began this again by publicly calling me by name on Jane........ months since I quit posting over there, John. This is the classic case of projection. I've seen you have squabbles with other people before, and so have other people.

Believe me, I don't feel "scorned," John. I feel relief. It felt rather peaceful without your presence over here. You just stir things up when you are around. Why would I be posting over here away from you if I felt "scorned"? I came over here to escape you, John. Who besides you is the "anonymous member" that lurks over here? After the election began, I began going back to Jane because of several member's opinions that I respect concerning politics. That's when I saw what you have been writing....don't know how long you have. Maybe since TQ arrived back at Jane. You just keep things churning between others and you, and between others. For your own entertainment out of boredom, I guess.? Won't let them go. And, I'm the one that feels scorned? I do't think so. I won't go into details.

Leave me alone. And, please don't bring this garbage over here like you have before. This is the second time you have began this type of stuff when I've been posting somewhere else. Leave it! The soap opera is over. I'm sure the people over here or over at Jane aren't any more interested in this than I am.

You need to work on your woman issues. Seriously.

And, why DID you start posting over here again? You haven't been here in months. That's why I have been posting here.l
John L
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 6 2008, 09:49 AM) *
Leave me alone. And, please don't bring this garbage over here like you have before. This is the second time you have began this type of stuff when I've been posting somewhere else. Leave it! The soap opera is over. I'm sure the people over here or over at Jane aren't any more interested in this than I am.

You need to work on your woman issues. Seriously.

And, why DID you start posting over here again? You haven't been here in months. That's why I have been posting here.l


Eventually all things come Full Circle dear lady. And I realize that you have issues with someone "horning" in on your fiefdom, but I was here long before you. Perhaps you can have me banned?

And if you are so repelled by Jane, why do you sneak around and look over other's shoulders? As you once stated, you love to "lift" ideas and articles from Jane, because they help you buttress your arguments. You should be happy, not so scornful.
Grizzly
QUOTE ("SolNav")
And, why DID you start posting over here again? You haven't been here in months. That's why I have been posting here.
He misses flame-throwing me, Solo. popcorn.gif Check your PM for more info. wink.gif
SoloNav
QUOTE (John L @ Sep 6 2008, 09:39 AM) *
Eventually all things come Full Circle dear lady. And I realize that you have issues with someone "horning" in on your fiefdom, but I was here long before you. Perhaps you can have me banned?

And if you are so repelled by Jane, why do you sneak around and look over other's shoulders? As you once stated, you love to "lift" ideas and articles from Jane, because they help you buttress your arguments. You should be happy, not so scornful.

I didn't say I was repelled by Jane. Only by you. Sneaking around, looking over other's shoulders? Don't ever remember saying I lift ideas or articles. You are making things up, John, as well as being vindictive.


Give it a rest, John. People are laughing at you behind your back.
I'm putting you on Ignore before you make a mess of this site again as you have other sites with your pettiness.
SoloNav
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Sep 6 2008, 10:08 AM) *
He misses flame-throwing me, Solo. popcorn.gif Check your PM for more info. wink.gif

Yea, I know. dry.gif Thanks, Grizz.
Grizzly
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 6 2008, 12:29 PM) *
Yea, I know. dry.gif Thanks, Grizz.

Yeah. You know what? I'm going to place him on Ignore too! wink.gif rolleyes.gif
MrRight
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 5 2008, 09:47 PM) *
Have no idea what you are talking about. Each candidate running for office since Washington has used their strengths to appeal to their voters. Obama sells what he think are his that will appeal, ditto with Palin. That's how voters pick who to vote for. The next thing you'll say she used being a hockey mom as a tool. <shrug>

So???

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Let's see how often hockey mom gets repeated in the next two months.
And then think about whether hockey mom impresses the Russians, Chinese and the Iranians.
The whole world knows that this is a play for Hillary voters, nothing more, and that is how McCain shall be viewed once he assumes the White House. A guy who needed a woman to help him win. The President of the world's only Superpower needs a chick from hicksville Alaska to get enough votes. You probably have to bomb Iran just to stop them laughing.

... not sure "Hockey Mom" is a "strength" with regard to the job description of the Vice President of the United States. At least Obama's programme of "change" is more gray-area. "Hockey Mom?" That's jive.

So yeah, it's a tool.

Didn't you know that modern political science is the art of telling people what they want to hear, and appealing to their emotions? All sides are doing this (and incidentally, avoiding thoughtful and serious discussion of the issues). This is why I've renounced my membership with the Democratic Party, effective 2 weeks ago. Party politics is a do-nothing joke. This election cycle has made me sick.
TheAvenger
QUOTE (Roadster @ Sep 4 2008, 10:24 AM) *
If we have the utter stupidity to elect four more years of the same crooks, liars and lobbyists, the same arrogant, devious, lying, retarded, repressive, regressive criminal scum that's now in the White House, we probably deserve what we'll get; a continuation of the same stupid denial of global warming and of evolution, the same ignorant Christian fundamentalism, the same ignorance of the law and of science, the same screw job we are now getting from these crooked demagogs, the self serving, low-life, murdering, warmongering banana Republicans.


Yes...denial of global warming. I suppose it doesn't matter that the earth has been getting cooler...and has not been getting any warmer. FYI, where going into an ice age.
John L
It's been 51 days since the last sunspot activity. And it looks like there are none trying to work up to the sun's surface either. You can check the sunspot archive at SpaceWeather.com and see that the last sunspot, number 1000, was on July 20, 2008, and it was from the old Sunspot Cycle 23. That is the longest period, on over a century, for absolutely no sunspot activity. We are definately headed toward another Dalton type Minimus for sure, and it will aparant this winter that we are definately cooling down.

Where in the Hades is Sunspot Cycle 24, which is almost 1 1/2 year overdue? Folks, it's going to get cold real soon, and not this winter, but the winter of 2009-2010 will be even colder than this winter. Soon, the Science community/politicians/media will be screaming bloody murder about the coming Ice Age, and all this AGW crap will be forgotten, or they will find some way to blame it on "climate change" as they envision it.
TheAvenger
Yes, Global Warming is humans fault...as well as global cooling.
Roadster
QUOTE (Roadster @ Sep 4 2008, 05:24 PM) *
If we have the utter stupidity to elect four more years of the same crooks, liars and lobbyists, the same arrogant, devious, lying, retarded, repressive, regressive criminal scum that's now in the White House, we probably deserve what we'll get; a continuation of the same stupid denial of global warming and of evolution, the same ignorant Christian fundamentalism, the same ignorance of the law and of science, the same screw job we are now getting from these crooked demagogs, the self serving, low-life, murdering, warmongering banana Republicans.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26649407

The politics of hate and fear was a trademark of the GOP convention, the chickenhawks and their spin and slime machine is going full speed.

A vote McCain and the ignorant Alaska redneck ##### is a vote for the same criminal scum that's now in the White House.
TheAvenger
Bummer, looks like we're going to have another republican president smile.gif
John L
QUOTE (Roadster @ Sep 11 2008, 12:25 AM) *
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26649407

The politics of hate and fear was a trademark of the GOP convention, the chickenhawks and their spin and slime machine is going full speed.

A vote McCain and the ignorant Alaska redneck ##### is a vote for the same criminal scum that's now in the White House.


Roadkill, you are almost, but not quite, as funny as TQ. But I must give you good grades for being brazen and intellectually lazy, all at the same time. Actually believing the DNCTV(MSNBC) is a non-partisan news organization. And to actually think that the main weasel, or is that Matthews, would be anything but a flaming Collectivist Kook, is beyond my understanding.

I'll admit, you really have the Brass to actually claim this. Of course, I have know a lot of idiots with brass as well. laugh.gif
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