House of Saud or Al-Qaeda, Two Faces of Same Coin.
Very simple question is:
Why Al-Qaeda did not emerge in Palestine?
Why 90% al-Qaedas are Saudis?
While Palestinians have been facing tough life since almost 60 years, why they did not end up by creating Al-Qaeda?
While house of Saud and their tribal branches have been living luxurious lives since 75 years, then why did they end up by creating Al-Qaeda?
Why we didn’t see Osama Ben Laden among Palestinian Nationals?
Why:
If, there is terrorism in Afghanistan, Saudis are caught red handed?
If, there is terrorism in Iraq, Saudis are caught red handed?
If, there is terrorism in Pakistan, Saudis are red handed?
If, there is terrorism in Lebanon, Saudis are caught red handed?
If, there is 911, Saudis are caught red handed?
Why?
With such a lavish life styles, with such a luxury, why they decide terrorism?
Why they eat gold and discharge terrorism?
What House of Saud has been teaching to Arabians since the establishment of illegal Saudi Kingdom, that they never inspire anything else except terrorism?
Every link of terrorism leads to the house of Saud or their branch tribes why?
Full Version: House of Saud or Al-Qaeda, Two Faces of Same Coin
you know?
al-qaeda was established in 1988 inside saudi arabia by ben laden.
while war between ussr and afghans was over during 1987-88, so what was the purpose of creation of al-qaeda inside saudi arabia in 1988 ???
if, the purpose was to counter ussr then why al-qaeda was not established in 1980 ???
why after the ussr war ???
house of saud deported ben laden from saudi arabia in 1992 ???
why???
what has been doing al-qaeda for four years inside saudi arabia during 1988-1992 ???
what were their activities ???
why house of saud allowed al-qaeda to work inside saudi arabia for four years ???
is there any documentory evidence of al-qaeda activities inside saudi arabia for four years ???
al-qaeda was established in 1988 inside saudi arabia by ben laden.
while war between ussr and afghans was over during 1987-88, so what was the purpose of creation of al-qaeda inside saudi arabia in 1988 ???
if, the purpose was to counter ussr then why al-qaeda was not established in 1980 ???
why after the ussr war ???
house of saud deported ben laden from saudi arabia in 1992 ???
why???
what has been doing al-qaeda for four years inside saudi arabia during 1988-1992 ???
what were their activities ???
why house of saud allowed al-qaeda to work inside saudi arabia for four years ???
is there any documentory evidence of al-qaeda activities inside saudi arabia for four years ???
The secretary-general of the Saudi Supreme National Security Council has secretly visited al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri in a region near Afghan-Pakistani border.
"Hijr" news website citing "certain" sources in the Pakistani government as saying that Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz, former Saudi envoy to the US, met with al-Zawahiri near the Afghan border.
According to the report, the visit has been arranged in Waziristan tribal area by a number of Pakistani intelligence officers supporting the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
It is widely believed that al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders are in that rugged mountainous region and enjoy the support of pro-Taliban Pakistani tribes.
"no doubts" that current actions by Zawahiri are in line with "orders and viewpoints by Bandar bin Sultan."
(news:13 Sept. 2008)
mr.bush's greatest friend....visiting zawahiri.....for what ????
mr.bush allowed this visit...???
mr.bush appreciates this visit...????
"Hijr" news website citing "certain" sources in the Pakistani government as saying that Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz, former Saudi envoy to the US, met with al-Zawahiri near the Afghan border.
According to the report, the visit has been arranged in Waziristan tribal area by a number of Pakistani intelligence officers supporting the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
It is widely believed that al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders are in that rugged mountainous region and enjoy the support of pro-Taliban Pakistani tribes.
"no doubts" that current actions by Zawahiri are in line with "orders and viewpoints by Bandar bin Sultan."
(news:13 Sept. 2008)
mr.bush's greatest friend....visiting zawahiri.....for what ????
mr.bush allowed this visit...???
mr.bush appreciates this visit...????
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 14 2008, 01:21 AM) 
The secretary-general of the Saudi Supreme National Security Council has secretly visited al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri in a region near Afghan-Pakistani border.
"Hijr" news website citing "certain" sources in the Pakistani government as saying that Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz, former Saudi envoy to the US, met with al-Zawahiri near the Afghan border.
According to the report, the visit has been arranged in Waziristan tribal area by a number of Pakistani intelligence officers supporting the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
It is widely believed that al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders are in that rugged mountainous region and enjoy the support of pro-Taliban Pakistani tribes.
"no doubts" that current actions by Zawahiri are in line with "orders and viewpoints by Bandar bin Sultan."
(news:13 Sept. 2008)
mr.bush's greatest friend....visiting zawahiri.....for what ????
mr.bush allowed this visit...???
mr.bush appreciates this visit...????
"Hijr" news website citing "certain" sources in the Pakistani government as saying that Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz, former Saudi envoy to the US, met with al-Zawahiri near the Afghan border.
According to the report, the visit has been arranged in Waziristan tribal area by a number of Pakistani intelligence officers supporting the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
It is widely believed that al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders are in that rugged mountainous region and enjoy the support of pro-Taliban Pakistani tribes.
"no doubts" that current actions by Zawahiri are in line with "orders and viewpoints by Bandar bin Sultan."
(news:13 Sept. 2008)
mr.bush's greatest friend....visiting zawahiri.....for what ????
mr.bush allowed this visit...???
mr.bush appreciates this visit...????
The House of the Muallahs- two face of one coin in Iran
That is all!
O Human Rights Champion Trader!
where were your principles of human rights, when you gave chemical weapons to your then friend saddam to use against innocent Iranians and Kurds ???
O Trader!
you cry today for hanging of criminals and murderers, but you never felt ashamed when millions of innocent Iranians and Kurds were massacred because of use of your provided chemical weapons.
O Trader!
Do You Have Heart???
Do You Have Feelings???
Do You Recognize Innocence???
Do You Ever Think Beyond Deals???
where were your principles of human rights, when you gave chemical weapons to your then friend saddam to use against innocent Iranians and Kurds ???
O Trader!
you cry today for hanging of criminals and murderers, but you never felt ashamed when millions of innocent Iranians and Kurds were massacred because of use of your provided chemical weapons.
O Trader!
Do You Have Heart???
Do You Have Feelings???
Do You Recognize Innocence???
Do You Ever Think Beyond Deals???
quote name='hussainmehdi' date='Sep 14 2008, 08:15 PM' post='105835']
O Human Rights Champion Trader!
Hey, Muckmood can you read my Avatar and tell me what I know it says?
Champion, not likely, did play in a State semifinals and I was voted All-State my Junior and Senior years. But never a Champion I, unless effectively being recognized for dispatching my enemies would be interpretatively viewed as such.
Human Rights, now that is an ambiguity of contradictory subjective interpretation if there ever was one, hey Muck-mood.
Did you notice in the video, how quickly the two men sub come to hanging lifelessly within no more than a minute or two, which is normal, if one is hanged properly. While the woman was purposely hung so that she had to struggle for life for several, nay, many minutes, past the time the two men had sub come to death in this 8th Century barbarity of public hangings in violation of anything remotely discribed as humain, or measured in Human rights, with all its ambiguities.
where were your principles of human rights, when you gave chemical weapons to your then friend saddam to use against innocent Iranians and Kurds ???
You willingness to pretense this propaganda has no bounds in its ignorance of facts. I have twice now proven to you with many sources, which showed that it was Chinese, Russian and yes German, as well as several eastern Europeans companies that provide these tools to Saddam and to Iran who equally, as you know, used them on civilians and soldiers during Iran’s defeat in the 1980’s by an Iraqi country 20 % its size and military capability at the time.
O Trader! Is that an exclamation of pain and desperation Muck mood?
you cry today for hanging of criminals and murderers, but you never felt ashamed when millions of innocent Iranians and Kurds were massacred because of use of your provided chemical weapons.
Do you have dyslexia Muckmood, as you seem to ask the same thing over and over regularly? But I will reply as I did when you ask the question above. You willingness to pretense this propaganda has no bounds in its ignorance of facts. I have twice now proven to you with many sources, which showed that it was Chinese, Russian and yes German, as well as several eastern Europeans companies that provide these tools to Saddam and to Iran who equally, as you know, used them on civilians and as did Saddam as well like Saddam during the Iran’s defeat in the 1980’s by an Iraq country 20 % its size and military capability at the time.
The know-how and material for developing chemical weapons were obtained by Saddam's regime from foreign firms.[12] By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and West Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie Ltd.) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq. These chemical were ones used against civilians by Iraq and oddly by Iran who also were provided with the same “nerve Agents for, the same groups of non-American companies
One Small US company, over but one year 1988, ALCOLAC INTERNATIONAL, INC, who 22 years later still remains yet to be convicted in any court in Europe and or the US, despite many lawsuits and criminal charges made against them, alleging this small long defunct company sold and shipped more than 300 tons of thiodiglycol (a mere precursor material, not the main material needed to make mustard gas) to a German company, Chemco G.m.b.H., which, according to European and US Courts records, congressional testimony, and media reports, alleged shipped this US companies material to a Jordanian company where that Jordan company is alleged to have shipped it on to Iraq, through Iraq's Industrial Procurement Company.
Mustard gas, whose main material came from Europe, was used by Iraq and Iran against each others soldier’s, but never against Civilians, as both Iraq and Iran did with nerve agents mostly supplied from Europe.
O Trader! Is that another pronouncement of pain and desperation again, If so, I feel your pain Muckmood?
Do You Have Heart??? If you do, so do I, if you do not, I do anyhow.
Do You Have Feelings??? If you have them, so do I, if you do not, I do have them anyhow.
Do You Recognize Innocence??? Precisely, and as equally as you recognize one sided guilt, Muckmood.
Do You Ever Think Beyond Deals??? The ambiguity of that phraseology leaves an answer bear, because prose of expression is as a bottomless pit of unknown endlessness Muckmood.
That is all!
O Human Rights Champion Trader!
Hey, Muckmood can you read my Avatar and tell me what I know it says?
Champion, not likely, did play in a State semifinals and I was voted All-State my Junior and Senior years. But never a Champion I, unless effectively being recognized for dispatching my enemies would be interpretatively viewed as such.
Human Rights, now that is an ambiguity of contradictory subjective interpretation if there ever was one, hey Muck-mood.
Did you notice in the video, how quickly the two men sub come to hanging lifelessly within no more than a minute or two, which is normal, if one is hanged properly. While the woman was purposely hung so that she had to struggle for life for several, nay, many minutes, past the time the two men had sub come to death in this 8th Century barbarity of public hangings in violation of anything remotely discribed as humain, or measured in Human rights, with all its ambiguities.
where were your principles of human rights, when you gave chemical weapons to your then friend saddam to use against innocent Iranians and Kurds ???
You willingness to pretense this propaganda has no bounds in its ignorance of facts. I have twice now proven to you with many sources, which showed that it was Chinese, Russian and yes German, as well as several eastern Europeans companies that provide these tools to Saddam and to Iran who equally, as you know, used them on civilians and soldiers during Iran’s defeat in the 1980’s by an Iraqi country 20 % its size and military capability at the time.
O Trader! Is that an exclamation of pain and desperation Muck mood?
you cry today for hanging of criminals and murderers, but you never felt ashamed when millions of innocent Iranians and Kurds were massacred because of use of your provided chemical weapons.
Do you have dyslexia Muckmood, as you seem to ask the same thing over and over regularly? But I will reply as I did when you ask the question above. You willingness to pretense this propaganda has no bounds in its ignorance of facts. I have twice now proven to you with many sources, which showed that it was Chinese, Russian and yes German, as well as several eastern Europeans companies that provide these tools to Saddam and to Iran who equally, as you know, used them on civilians and as did Saddam as well like Saddam during the Iran’s defeat in the 1980’s by an Iraq country 20 % its size and military capability at the time.
The know-how and material for developing chemical weapons were obtained by Saddam's regime from foreign firms.[12] By far, the largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and West Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics (now part of EPC Industrie Ltd.) sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Kim Al-Khaleej firm, located in Singapore and affiliated to United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq. These chemical were ones used against civilians by Iraq and oddly by Iran who also were provided with the same “nerve Agents for, the same groups of non-American companies
One Small US company, over but one year 1988, ALCOLAC INTERNATIONAL, INC, who 22 years later still remains yet to be convicted in any court in Europe and or the US, despite many lawsuits and criminal charges made against them, alleging this small long defunct company sold and shipped more than 300 tons of thiodiglycol (a mere precursor material, not the main material needed to make mustard gas) to a German company, Chemco G.m.b.H., which, according to European and US Courts records, congressional testimony, and media reports, alleged shipped this US companies material to a Jordanian company where that Jordan company is alleged to have shipped it on to Iraq, through Iraq's Industrial Procurement Company.
Mustard gas, whose main material came from Europe, was used by Iraq and Iran against each others soldier’s, but never against Civilians, as both Iraq and Iran did with nerve agents mostly supplied from Europe.
O Trader! Is that another pronouncement of pain and desperation again, If so, I feel your pain Muckmood?
Do You Have Heart??? If you do, so do I, if you do not, I do anyhow.
Do You Have Feelings??? If you have them, so do I, if you do not, I do have them anyhow.
Do You Recognize Innocence??? Precisely, and as equally as you recognize one sided guilt, Muckmood.
Do You Ever Think Beyond Deals??? The ambiguity of that phraseology leaves an answer bear, because prose of expression is as a bottomless pit of unknown endlessness Muckmood.
QUOTE
There are those who require plucking all the feathers off a nightingale as they are unable otherwise to envision what a little body it has somehow?
The worst of men have not in all their quiver's an arrow that will kill the human heart’s quest for freedom’s sweet nectar and voice.- Trader
The worst of men have not in all their quiver's an arrow that will kill the human heart’s quest for freedom’s sweet nectar and voice.- Trader
That is all!
there were U.S. Subsidiaries, that provided chemicals to saddam govt. this is an established fact. however, you can deny it.
Few months ago, BBC special telecasted a program on what the Saudi government is doing to rehabilitate former Guantanamo prisoners.
The so-called "beneficiaries" are kept at a detention center with swimming pools, Play Stations, large screen TVs, and catering.
When they graduate, their lives are sponsored by the Saudi government and everything is paid for.
These guys supported Al Qaeda.
Some of them committed murder.
One of them is Ahmad Abdullah.
He was interviewed and he says he's a victim, because in Baghdad, while engaged in his jihad, he was tricked by two Iraqis into driving a fuel tanker, which exploded a few minutes later, killing nine Iraqi civilians. He said the media reported that the explosion wounded 60 civilians.
He said it should be 61.
thanks to Bushchaney+House of Saud +Qaeda Friendship.
Few months ago, BBC special telecasted a program on what the Saudi government is doing to rehabilitate former Guantanamo prisoners.
The so-called "beneficiaries" are kept at a detention center with swimming pools, Play Stations, large screen TVs, and catering.
When they graduate, their lives are sponsored by the Saudi government and everything is paid for.
These guys supported Al Qaeda.
Some of them committed murder.
One of them is Ahmad Abdullah.
He was interviewed and he says he's a victim, because in Baghdad, while engaged in his jihad, he was tricked by two Iraqis into driving a fuel tanker, which exploded a few minutes later, killing nine Iraqi civilians. He said the media reported that the explosion wounded 60 civilians.
He said it should be 61.
thanks to Bushchaney+House of Saud +Qaeda Friendship.
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 16 2008, 07:19 AM)
there were U.S. Subsidiaries, that provided chemicals to saddam govt. this is an established fact. however, you can deny it.
Muckmood Admission is not denial except in 8th century minds, but exaggeration to include a bit small part AS ALL OF THE WHOLE is just 8th century Lying with a purpose.
One Small US company, over but one year 1988, ALCOLAC INTERNATIONAL, INC, who 22 years later still remains yet to be convicted in any court in Europe and or the US, despite many lawsuits and criminal charges made against them, alleging this small long defunct company sold and shipped more than 300 tons of thiodiglycol (a mere precursor material, not the main material needed to make mustard gas) to a German company, Chemco G.m.b.H., which, according to European and US Courts records, congressional testimony, and media reports, alleged shipped this US companies material to a Jordanian company where that Jordan company is alleged to have shipped it on to Iraq, through Iraq's Industrial Procurement Company.
Mustard gas, whose main material came from Europe, was used by Iraq and Iran against each others soldier’s, but never against Civilians, as both Iraq and Iran did with nerve agents mostly supplied from Europe.
Few months ago, BBC special telecasted a program on what the Saudi government is doing to rehabilitate former Guantanamo prisoners.
The so-called "beneficiaries" are kept at a detention center with swimming pools, Play Stations, large screen TVs, and catering.
When they graduate, their lives are sponsored by the Saudi government and everything is paid for.
These guys supported Al Qaeda.
Some of them committed murder.
One of them is Ahmad Abdullah.
He was interviewed and he says he's a victim, because in Baghdad, while engaged in his jihad, he was tricked by two Iraqis into driving a fuel tanker, which exploded a few minutes later, killing nine Iraqi civilians. He said the media reported that the explosion wounded 60 civilians.
He said it should be 61.
thanks to Bushchaney+House of Saud +Qaeda Friendship.
Muckmood Admission is not denial except in 8th century minds, but exaggeration to include a bit small part AS ALL OF THE WHOLE is just 8th century Lying with a purpose.
One Small US company, over but one year 1988, ALCOLAC INTERNATIONAL, INC, who 22 years later still remains yet to be convicted in any court in Europe and or the US, despite many lawsuits and criminal charges made against them, alleging this small long defunct company sold and shipped more than 300 tons of thiodiglycol (a mere precursor material, not the main material needed to make mustard gas) to a German company, Chemco G.m.b.H., which, according to European and US Courts records, congressional testimony, and media reports, alleged shipped this US companies material to a Jordanian company where that Jordan company is alleged to have shipped it on to Iraq, through Iraq's Industrial Procurement Company.
Mustard gas, whose main material came from Europe, was used by Iraq and Iran against each others soldier’s, but never against Civilians, as both Iraq and Iran did with nerve agents mostly supplied from Europe.
Few months ago, BBC special telecasted a program on what the Saudi government is doing to rehabilitate former Guantanamo prisoners.
The so-called "beneficiaries" are kept at a detention center with swimming pools, Play Stations, large screen TVs, and catering.
When they graduate, their lives are sponsored by the Saudi government and everything is paid for.
These guys supported Al Qaeda.
Some of them committed murder.
One of them is Ahmad Abdullah.
He was interviewed and he says he's a victim, because in Baghdad, while engaged in his jihad, he was tricked by two Iraqis into driving a fuel tanker, which exploded a few minutes later, killing nine Iraqi civilians. He said the media reported that the explosion wounded 60 civilians.
He said it should be 61.
thanks to Bushchaney+House of Saud +Qaeda Friendship.
It is reality they will Bring your Iranian weakness out of the shadow of 8th century Tryrants .THAT IS ALL!!
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 16 2008, 12:58 PM)
One Small US company, over but one year 1988, ALCOLAC INTERNATIONAL, INC, who 22 years later still remains yet to be convicted in any court in Europe and or the US, despite many lawsuits and criminal charges made against them, alleging this small long defunct company sold and shipped more than 300 tons of thiodiglycol (a mere precursor material, not the main material needed to make mustard gas) to a German company, Chemco G.m.b.H., which, according to European and US Courts records, congressional testimony, and media reports, alleged shipped this US companies material to a Jordanian company where that Jordan company is alleged to have shipped it on to Iraq, through Iraq's Industrial Procurement Company.
one small company???
that can export more than 300 tons of chemical substance ???
how many more such little companies are out there ???
No conviction yet ???
But, you have already bombed iraq on presumptions ???
Can you explain this mysterious combination of 'quick and slow action' ???
you have sanctioned Iranian Shipping Company???
Did you sanction that Jordanian Shipping Company ???
Do you believe that Law is above all ???
or, Do you prefer deals ???
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 16 2008, 12:58 PM)
what about 21st century tyrants like 'bu-che-abdo-aeda', Mr.Protector of House of Saud ???
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 16 2008, 04:54 PM)
one small company???
that can export more than 300 tons of chemical substance ???
how many more such little companies are out there ???
Had you not been so mentally disturbed with ADS you would have read how many Russian, Chinese, and European companies I listed./color"]
No conviction yet ??? [color=red] yes for American companies but lots for russian, germany and other European countries.
But, you have already bombed iraq on presumptions ???
Can you explain this mysterious combination of 'quick and slow action' ???
Why yes I can Muckmood, the quick is you limericks think Bush's going to Iraq and afghanistan was just about Afghanistan about Iraq, or Saddam and or Oil.
It was about quickly destorying radical tryrants in Iraq and Afghanistan, but just as importantly about slowly surrounding Iran, dividing it from its proxies terrorist's Hez-bull-Shiite -alha and HA-HA MYASS with enough power and capability to take your Muahall to the same gallows as Saddam, if they keep moving toward where the below article says they are and in the way they are.
Time is short, if I were you, I would be getting my family out of there, these guys are going to get a whole bunch of people killed soon, I fear.
you have sanctioned Iranian Shipping Company???
That is just the beginning, it is going to get far worst sadly for the Iranian people, who are allowing these false prophets to lead them to the sacrifices of slaughter.
The 1980's war will be but drop of what they are about to have unleased upon them, if they do not wise up my friend and make these guy see the wisdom, that no one's going let them get the bomb, ever, because even the Russian know they will use it, or give it to their proxies to use, but, even them, it will be the Iranian people who will pay awfully if they do allow these Mullahs to come clsoe to getting the bomb, sadly.
Did you sanction that Jordanian Shipping Company ???
Do you believe that Law is above all ???
yes, with the strength and power to back it above all, as God intended men to be free and protected by the law of man and god.
or, Do you prefer deals ???
IAEA shows photos alleging Iran nuclear missile work
VIENNA (Reuters) - The U.N. nuclear watchdog showed documents and photographs on Tuesday suggesting Iran secretly tried to modify a missile cone to fit a nuclear bomb, diplomats said, and Tehran again dismissed the findings as forged.
Iran said an International Atomic Energy Agency inquiry into its nuclear activity was at a dead-end because the IAEA was demanding Tehran reveal conventional military secrets without nuclear dimensions. Iran has denied seeking atom bombs.
The Vienna-based U.N. watchdog said in a report on Monday that Iranian stonewalling had brought an agency inquiry to resolve whether Tehran had covertly researched ways to make a nuclear bomb to a standstill.
Britain has accused Iran of showing contempt for the U.N. watchdog and, with the United States and France, vowed to seek harsher sanctions on Tehran over its defiance of U.N. demands for full disclosure and a suspension of uranium enrichment.
The IAEA wants Iran to clarify intelligence material pointing to links between Iranian projects to process uranium, test high explosives and modify the cone of its long-distance Shahab-3 missile in a way suitable for a nuclear warhead.
The Islamic Republic has denied the allegations but the IAEA says Iran must substantiate its position by granting access to sites, documents and relevant officials for interviews.
Herman Naeckerts, the agency's head of inspections in the Middle East region, briefed its governing board on the report's findings on Tuesday ahead of a meeting by the 35-nation body next week likely to heighten pressure on Iran to cooperate.
Washington's IAEA envoy said Naeckerts presented photos and diagrams of Iranian work on re-designing a Shabab-3 "to carry what would appear to be a nuclear weapon."
"VERY CREDIBLE"
"The (IAEA) Secretariat told us the information they have is in their words, 'very credible', unquote, and they have asked Iran to provide 'substantive responses', unquote," Ambassador Gregory Schulte told reporters.
He said Naeckerts told the closed meeting Iran had refused IAEA requests to interview engineers involved in the work and visit their ostensibly civilian workshops, depicted in photos.
Other diplomats in the meeting said Naeckerts emphasised the information remained unverified. "His presentation was professional and balanced," one said, asking for anonymity.
Another diplomat said some countries on the board questioned the IAEA's mandate to judge intelligence data related to ballistic missiles and high explosives.
Iran repeated that the intelligence was forged or pertained only to conventional arms. It said Iran faced extraordinary and unacceptable pressure to prove unverified allegations were wrong by revealing information vital to its national security.
"No country would give information about its conventional military activities," Iran's IAEA ambassador said.
"I said in this briefing, 'Who in the world would believe there are a series of top secret documents U.S. intelligence found in a laptop regarding a Manhattan Project-type nuclear (bomb programme) in Iran and none of these documents bore seals of 'high confidential' or 'secret'?" Ali Asghar Soltanieh said.
"This matter is over, as far as we are concerned."
Western concern was heightened by a revelation in the IAEA report that Iran may have had "foreign expertise" helping in experiments on a detonator applicable to an implosion-type nuclear blast occurring at high altitude.
Informed diplomats said the expertise appeared not to have been given by a government such as North Korea or any remnants of the ex-A.Q. Khan nuclear smuggling network that supplied Iran in the past, but by other non-state actors.
The IAEA has called for an explanation from Iran
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080916/wl_nm/..._iran_iaea_dc_1
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 17 2008, 12:20 PM)
Had you not been so mentally disturbed with ADS you would have read how many Russian, Chinese, and European companies I listed./color"]
No conviction yet ??? [color=red] yes for American companies but lots for russian, germany and other European countries.
Why yes I can Muckmood, the quick is you limericks think Bush's going to Iraq and afghanistan was just about Afghanistan about Iraq, or Saddam and or Oil.
It was about quickly destorying radical tryrants in Iraq and Afghanistan, but just as importantly about slowly surrounding Iran, dividing it from its proxies terrorist's Hez-bull-Shiite -alha and HA-HA MYASS with enough power and capability to take your Muahall to the same gallows as Saddam, if they keep moving toward where the below article says they are and in the way they are.
Time is short, if I were you, I would be getting my family out of there, these guys are going to get a whole bunch of people killed soon, I fear.
That is just the beginning, it is going to get far worst sadly for the Iranian people, who are allowing these false prophets to lead them to the sacrifices of slaughter.
The 1980's war will be but drop of what they are about to have unleased upon them, if they do not wise up my friend and make these guy see the wisdom, that no one's going let them get the bomb, ever, because even the Russian know they will use it, or give it to their proxies to use, but, even them, it will be the Iranian people who will pay awfully if they do allow these Mullahs to come clsoe to getting the bomb, sadly.
yes, with the strength and power to back it above all, as God intended men to be free and protected by the law of man and god.
No conviction yet ??? [color=red] yes for American companies but lots for russian, germany and other European countries.
Why yes I can Muckmood, the quick is you limericks think Bush's going to Iraq and afghanistan was just about Afghanistan about Iraq, or Saddam and or Oil.
It was about quickly destorying radical tryrants in Iraq and Afghanistan, but just as importantly about slowly surrounding Iran, dividing it from its proxies terrorist's Hez-bull-Shiite -alha and HA-HA MYASS with enough power and capability to take your Muahall to the same gallows as Saddam, if they keep moving toward where the below article says they are and in the way they are.
Time is short, if I were you, I would be getting my family out of there, these guys are going to get a whole bunch of people killed soon, I fear.
That is just the beginning, it is going to get far worst sadly for the Iranian people, who are allowing these false prophets to lead them to the sacrifices of slaughter.
The 1980's war will be but drop of what they are about to have unleased upon them, if they do not wise up my friend and make these guy see the wisdom, that no one's going let them get the bomb, ever, because even the Russian know they will use it, or give it to their proxies to use, but, even them, it will be the Iranian people who will pay awfully if they do allow these Mullahs to come clsoe to getting the bomb, sadly.
yes, with the strength and power to back it above all, as God intended men to be free and protected by the law of man and god.
your words have no influence of truth.
your words have no effect of logic.
you use arguments that may convince only bush.
i truely feel regret on your theories and imaginations.
ok, you are on the top, so every one is little for you.
and even you announce loudly that 'all of you are little and valueless'.
that is called manner of the highest class.
you kill people and you call it tact.
when people cry then you move your hands in air with happiness and proud.
in your theory, every one who does not accept your standards, is liable to be killed and eliminated.
so, keep moving your hands in the air with proud while walking on the dead bodies, until you see no one near you.
you live in your own capsules, that has no connection with outside world.
your world is your self created capsule in which you have bbc, cnn, fox, discovery, and iaea reports.
this is all your property other than bombs and missiles.
one day will come when your bombs, missiles and war factories will become your greatest problem.
you use your education to humiliate others,
you use your expertise to plan killings,
you use your knowledge to eliminate others.
you think that this is all necessary to live in this world.
ok, keep continue my proud american.
your words have no influence of truth. Yet words have meaning and in meaning there is equally truth and lies, solely dependent on providence and the view of intent and agenda, is it not so muckmood.
your words have no effect of logic.
Now really, hmm I wonder if that is a reality?
Video: Iran Threatens To "Explode" Ships
Recordings Show Iranian Boats Swarming 3 U.S. Warships In Persian Gulf; Iran Denies Threats
IRAN: Hillary's threat to "obliterate" in war reverberates
Iran Top Threat To Iraq
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, threatens again the destruction of Israel.
On 27 March 1993, the interference of certain countries in Algeria’s internal affairs decided to break diplomatic relations with Iran and recall our ambassador to Sudan.”
On 8 May 1992, the US Department of State alleged Iranian involvement in the attack Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires on 17 March 1992, in which nearly 30 people were killed.
Iran is a threat, but the West can't afford to have Israel bomb it - yet
By Con Coughlin
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 12/09/2008
Iran issues 'ultimatum' to Israel's allies Ahmadinejad tells Europeans 'you may get hurt' if support continues Iran warns Israel of 'unimaginable losses' if Syria hit Jul 16 04:44 AM US/Eastern, Oops isreal blew Syria secret Nuke facility, no Iran in sight,hmmm.
On The Line: Iran Threatens Israel
05 November 2005
WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS
Iran threatens strikeagainst U.S., Israel
Official warns of pre-emptive attack on enemies if imminent danger sensed
Posted: August 19, 2004
Tuesday, March 11, 2008
Iran Threatens Israel at Martyr Mughniyeh's Stamp Ceremony
Apr 15, 2008 12:52 | Updated Apr 16, 2008 0:30
Iran threatens to eliminate Israel
[img]http://static.jpost.com/images/2003/site/hr/header.Special_2.gif[img]
IAEA shows photos alleging Iran nuclear missile work
Security Council Resolution 1803 on Iran (March 3, 2008)
This Security Council resolution extends sanctions against Iran. It notes that the Iranian government attempts to enrich uranium – potentially a key component in the development of nuclear weapons. The text restricts the import of “dual use” technology used for both peaceful and military purposes, and asks UN member states to inspect cargos suspected of transporting nuclear material to and from Iran. The resolution also adds 13 names to an existing travel ban and asset freeze on companies and individuals thought to be engaged in Iran’s nuclear program.
Report of the IAEA to the Security Council (February 22, 2008)
This official International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report, submitted to the Security Council, records an open verdict on Iran’s nuclear program. The report states that Iran has answered many key questions on the development of a weapons program. However, Iran has refused to cooperate with the IAEA over US allegations that Tehran is attempting to enrich uranium and develop nuclear missile heads – describing the accusations as “baseless” and “fabricated.”
Resolution 1747 (March 24, 2007)
In this resolution, the Security Council builds on its previous decision to impose sanction on Tehran by banning arms exports from Iran and imposing a freeze on the financial assets of 28 individuals and entities. After lengthy negotiations, the text takes into account some of the concerns expressed by South Africa, Indonesia and Qatar, such as the acknowledgment that all parties to the NPT, including Iran, have a right to peaceful uses of nuclear technology. The resolution also includes mechanisms for future negotiation with Iran and reference to a nuclear-free Middle East.
Draft Resolution on Iran’s Nuclear Program (March 15, 2007)
The UN Security Council's draft resolution on Iran calls again on Tehran to comply with the demands of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) "to build confidence in the exclusively peaceful purpose of its nuclear program." Further, it restricts the sale of arms to Iran and prohibits financial assistance to Iran other than for humanitarian purposes. The director general of the IAEA is to submit a further report within 60 days on the extent of Tehran's compliance with Resolution 1737. The draft resolution affirms that all measures taken against Iran will be suspended contingent on Iran discontinuing its enrichment program.
Resolution 1737 (December 23, 2006)
The Security Council unanimously imposed sanctions against Iran. The text, calling for steps required by the IAEA, bans trade with Iran of all items, materials, equipment, goods and technology which could contribute to Tehran’s uranium enrichment program and contains a list of persons and entities, whose assets are subject to a freeze. It also established a new sanctions committee to monitor compliance of the resolution.
Resolution 1696 (June 31, 2006)
In this resolution, the Security Council endorses the offer of diplomatic and economic incentives put forward by the P5 and Germany and demands that Iran suspend all uranium enrichment programs by August 31. Acting “under Article 40 of Chapter VII of the United Nations in order to make mandatory the suspension required by the IAEA,” the Council threatens Iran with sanctions in case of non-compliance, but avoids any implication that use of force may be warranted. Iran has rejected the resolution claiming that it has only made negotiations more difficult.
you use arguments that may convince only bush.
Yet the world agrees, why Muckmood?
October 31, 2007
Public: Iran Poses Greatest Threat to World Stability
i truely feel regret on your theories and imaginations.
You should not feel regret on my imagine, instead on that of your Mullahs, for this lady below, is likely the trumpet that will blow their house down soon if others don’t as well.
Tzipi Livni now Israel’s PM ,She served as a young agent in Israel's foreign secret service, the Mossad, her background is more firmly embedded in Israel's right-wing. She was born into a "fighting family."
ok, you are on the top, so every one is little for you.
that is called manner of the highest class.
No, quite the opposite, but anyone who threatens, needs to understand, threats are proportional to one’s ability to effect and make them, but equally proportional to those who can meet them in overwhelming response. A point the Mullahs leave to divinity at the Iranian peoples peril more and more every day, that is the point.
and even you announce loudly that 'all of you are little and valueless'.
you kill people and you call it tact.
you kill people through proxies and say it is tactics, I say it is your destruction strategy in waiting if you go to near in having nukes. As is an old Middle Eastern Custom, do not war on your enemy, until he has been so advised and warned, you know Muckmood, like the divine false 12th Imam, Mr A, and divine false Muallah’s have been long doing, and doing, and doing, thus I, in my humble way do say this to you. Some of us get it and know what is to come, and what we need to do about it. Your best hope is that those who do not know, do not know, until it is too late, then we pay, but you go big time away.
when people cry then you move your hands in air with happiness and proud.
so, keep moving your hands in the air with proud while walking on the dead bodies, until you see no one near you.
I noticed their great celebrations in these trails of tears today, doing exactly the same, 7 years ago,” Moving hands in the air with happiness and pride, now ever since, the multitudes upon multitudes full of joy back then are now tearful for those who cheered, it is the way is it not, in this 8th century mindset, that of revenge and no mercy, until the Debts of threat and revenge have been paid and those enemies of joy, repent and convert to ways of assured peace, hey Muckmood?
in your theory, every one who does not accept your standards, is liable to be killed and eliminated.
you live in your own capsules, that has no connection with outside world.
And exactly how that is different, from your proxies of radical Islam and your Mullahs standards, Muckmood?
your world is your self created capsule in which you have bbc, cnn, fox, discovery, and iaea reports.
this is all your property other than bombs and missiles.
one day will come when your bombs, missiles and war factories will become your greatest problem.
See, that is what I am talking about threats, one should not do them unless they are prepared for someone to take them seriously, and decide to eliminate even the potential of threat before it can do any harm.
It is on that soft rock of death that your Mullahs have you standing, as did Saddam, the Taliban and Al Qe’aed, and many more like them in antiquity, which has brought vast destruction upon the innocent, from which they cower like women, to shield themselves from the consequences of their vile evil ways at deadly cost to the good people of Islam, as are your Mullahs now willing to do as second time as they will in false beliefs of their own divinity to waste the best of Iran, in a winless cause.
you use your education to humiliate others,
I use others education, if it humiliates, it is the burden of their education to a reality I see. For Humility cannot be established, it is instead confirmed by acceptance in those who are so humiliated, not the innocent and strong of righteousness, who do present themselves as vassals of humiliation, by act, word and deed.
you use your expertise to plan killings, you use your knowledge to eliminate others.
you think that this is all necessary to live in this world.
I think the man, who pretends there are not dangers, dangerous people and nations in the world, who is not planned in expertise, to NOT be harmed and eliminated by them, does not deserve to exists, unless he willing fight for his existence.
That my friend is something afar from your harangued lack of grasp of the clear and present danger that are in this world, just waiting for the weakest links mistake in underestimating their intent and capability. The world has walk this misjudgment path to the tune of hundreds of millions of lives, were Unity in strength and preparedness and willingness to use it at the opportune time, may have made a difference in those outcomes in that regard.
ok, keep continue my proud american.
We have our weakest link’s who are not proud to be Americans, but they would not have anything but the America they whine and complain about, that millions upon millions, want to come to.
It has been hard work, ingenuity, preparedness, hope, freedom, opportunity, near as one can get, equality, and yes pride in America that has made her the 3rd most populist country, among, if not the richest, and few would argue among, if not the most powerful in the world for now. It will take more of the same to maintain that core of all that is America. I am not ashamed of America, Muckmood, as I have no reason to be so. Americans have a long record of doing far more good than harm in their history, yet, not perfectly in outcomes, as no one else has either. We are oddly criticized for doing WHAT OTHERS DO, act in her own self interests, just like all their nations have done in their histories.
To argue we have no right to do what is best for us against those who oppose us, is as stupid as my saying those who oppose us, have no right to do what is in their best interest.
It is the outcome of consequences that in life and history that determines the right or wrong in doing what one thinks is best for their own. At the height of Imperial Iran, they did what was in their best interests, were outcomes were good, and then bad.
Same for our Imperial European utopians of today, outcomes of what they thought were in their best interests in the past ebbed and flowed in outcomes, where now, they weak in lost memories of the past in Utopian nanny state enterprises, ready to talk all year long, ready to do, very little all year long.
Take your Mr A and his leaders, the Mullah’s, they are, in their minds, doing, with the threats, the nukes and support of their favorite flavors of radical Islam, what they assume are the right thing for Iran. Thus, we who oppose them, doing the same, will intersects in outcomes to see if the wisdom of those ideas in conclusion bring the right or wrong thing, as a result of the course laid, is my point.
That is all!!
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
Yet words have meaning and in meaning there is equally truth and lies, solely dependent on providence and the view of intent and agenda, is it not so muckmood.
No! there is no equally truth or lies. If, you lie, you lie. If, you speak truth then its truth. However, difference of opinion is another thing. Difference of opinion on either end is not a lie. Providence cannot go against truth, if it goes, then it is not providence but a selfish businessperson.
Words that describe truth are called words with the influence of truth. Yes! You can oppose truth, but your opposition will not be a lie, but it just will be another side of truth. When there is no truth, it does not necessarily mean that there is always a lie. Lie is not a vacancy of truth. Truth may have variations in different directions but cannot have serious conflict with each other. For example: we both observe Japanese. I comment on Japanese that they have lost their culture and identity. You comment on Japanese that they have progressed rapidly after defeat. You may oppose me upon my opinion or I may oppose you upon your opinion but we, both are describing our observations. Observations can be debated but cannot be out rightly rejected. In this case, no one is liar. So, what is a lie? The lie is if you tell that you had bombed on Japanese because they were progressing slowly. You had bombed because they were lazy. You had bombed because they were illiterate and uncultured. Bombing on innocent people has no excuse. Immediate victories end immediately, and fifty years or hundred years have no value in the time of history.
I am hundred percent satisfied with the progress and direction of the world. I know that, it will settle at the end in the right direction. People are like flowers, you can remove them, kill them temporarily, but they will again grow and flourish with more power and beauty of existence. You will be tired of killing but they will not be tired to grow again and again and again. Nature itself safeguards its flowers. You cannot stop nature, yes! But temporarily.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
Now really, hmm I wonder if that is a reality?
Video: Iran Threatens To "Explode" Ships
Recordings Show Iranian Boats Swarming 3 U.S. Warships In Persian Gulf; Iran Denies Threats
IRAN: Hillary's threat to "obliterate" in war reverberates
Iran Top Threat To Iraq
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, threatens again the destruction of Israel.
On 27 March 1993, the interference of certain countries in Algeria’s internal affairs decided to break diplomatic relations with Iran and recall our ambassador to Sudan.”
On 8 May 1992, the US Department of State alleged Iranian involvement in the attack Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires on 17 March 1992, in which nearly 30 people were killed.
Iran is a threat, but the West can't afford to have Israel bomb it - yet
By Con Coughlin
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 12/09/2008
Iran issues 'ultimatum' to Israel's allies Ahmadinejad tells Europeans 'you may get hurt' if support continues Iran warns Israel of 'unimaginable losses' if Syria hit Jul 16 04:44 AM US/Eastern, Oops isreal blew Syria secret Nuke facility, no Iran in sight,hmmm.
On The Line: Iran Threatens Israel
05 November 2005
WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS
Iran threatens strikeagainst U.S., Israel
Official warns of pre-emptive attack on enemies if imminent danger sensed
Posted: August 19, 2004
Tuesday, March 11, 2008
Iran Threatens Israel at Martyr Mughniyeh's Stamp Ceremony
Apr 15, 2008 12:52 | Updated Apr 16, 2008 0:30
Iran threatens to eliminate Israel
[img]http://static.jpost.com/images/2003/site/hr/header.Special_2.gif[img]
IAEA shows photos alleging Iran nuclear missile work
Security Council Resolution 1803 on Iran (March 3, 2008)
This Security Council resolution extends sanctions against Iran. It notes that the Iranian government attempts to enrich uranium – potentially a key component in the development of nuclear weapons. The text restricts the import of “dual use” technology used for both peaceful and military purposes, and asks UN member states to inspect cargos suspected of transporting nuclear material to and from Iran. The resolution also adds 13 names to an existing travel ban and asset freeze on companies and individuals thought to be engaged in Iran’s nuclear program.
Report of the IAEA to the Security Council (February 22, 2008)
This official International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report, submitted to the Security Council, records an open verdict on Iran’s nuclear program. The report states that Iran has answered many key questions on the development of a weapons program. However, Iran has refused to cooperate with the IAEA over US allegations that Tehran is attempting to enrich uranium and develop nuclear missile heads – describing the accusations as “baseless” and “fabricated.”
Resolution 1747 (March 24, 2007)
In this resolution, the Security Council builds on its previous decision to impose sanction on Tehran by banning arms exports from Iran and imposing a freeze on the financial assets of 28 individuals and entities. After lengthy negotiations, the text takes into account some of the concerns expressed by South Africa, Indonesia and Qatar, such as the acknowledgment that all parties to the NPT, including Iran, have a right to peaceful uses of nuclear technology. The resolution also includes mechanisms for future negotiation with Iran and reference to a nuclear-free Middle East.
Draft Resolution on Iran’s Nuclear Program (March 15, 2007)
The UN Security Council's draft resolution on Iran calls again on Tehran to comply with the demands of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) "to build confidence in the exclusively peaceful purpose of its nuclear program." Further, it restricts the sale of arms to Iran and prohibits financial assistance to Iran other than for humanitarian purposes. The director general of the IAEA is to submit a further report within 60 days on the extent of Tehran's compliance with Resolution 1737. The draft resolution affirms that all measures taken against Iran will be suspended contingent on Iran discontinuing its enrichment program.
Resolution 1737 (December 23, 2006)
The Security Council unanimously imposed sanctions against Iran. The text, calling for steps required by the IAEA, bans trade with Iran of all items, materials, equipment, goods and technology which could contribute to Tehran’s uranium enrichment program and contains a list of persons and entities, whose assets are subject to a freeze. It also established a new sanctions committee to monitor compliance of the resolution.
Resolution 1696 (June 31, 2006)
In this resolution, the Security Council endorses the offer of diplomatic and economic incentives put forward by the P5 and Germany and demands that Iran suspend all uranium enrichment programs by August 31. Acting “under Article 40 of Chapter VII of the United Nations in order to make mandatory the suspension required by the IAEA,” the Council threatens Iran with sanctions in case of non-compliance, but avoids any implication that use of force may be warranted. Iran has rejected the resolution claiming that it has only made negotiations more difficult.
Video: Iran Threatens To "Explode" Ships
Recordings Show Iranian Boats Swarming 3 U.S. Warships In Persian Gulf; Iran Denies Threats
IRAN: Hillary's threat to "obliterate" in war reverberates
Iran Top Threat To Iraq
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, threatens again the destruction of Israel.
On 27 March 1993, the interference of certain countries in Algeria’s internal affairs decided to break diplomatic relations with Iran and recall our ambassador to Sudan.”
On 8 May 1992, the US Department of State alleged Iranian involvement in the attack Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires on 17 March 1992, in which nearly 30 people were killed.
Iran is a threat, but the West can't afford to have Israel bomb it - yet
By Con Coughlin
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 12/09/2008
Iran issues 'ultimatum' to Israel's allies Ahmadinejad tells Europeans 'you may get hurt' if support continues Iran warns Israel of 'unimaginable losses' if Syria hit Jul 16 04:44 AM US/Eastern, Oops isreal blew Syria secret Nuke facility, no Iran in sight,hmmm.
On The Line: Iran Threatens Israel
05 November 2005
WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS
Iran threatens strikeagainst U.S., Israel
Official warns of pre-emptive attack on enemies if imminent danger sensed
Posted: August 19, 2004
Tuesday, March 11, 2008
Iran Threatens Israel at Martyr Mughniyeh's Stamp Ceremony
Apr 15, 2008 12:52 | Updated Apr 16, 2008 0:30
Iran threatens to eliminate Israel
[img]http://static.jpost.com/images/2003/site/hr/header.Special_2.gif[img]
IAEA shows photos alleging Iran nuclear missile work
Security Council Resolution 1803 on Iran (March 3, 2008)
This Security Council resolution extends sanctions against Iran. It notes that the Iranian government attempts to enrich uranium – potentially a key component in the development of nuclear weapons. The text restricts the import of “dual use” technology used for both peaceful and military purposes, and asks UN member states to inspect cargos suspected of transporting nuclear material to and from Iran. The resolution also adds 13 names to an existing travel ban and asset freeze on companies and individuals thought to be engaged in Iran’s nuclear program.
Report of the IAEA to the Security Council (February 22, 2008)
This official International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report, submitted to the Security Council, records an open verdict on Iran’s nuclear program. The report states that Iran has answered many key questions on the development of a weapons program. However, Iran has refused to cooperate with the IAEA over US allegations that Tehran is attempting to enrich uranium and develop nuclear missile heads – describing the accusations as “baseless” and “fabricated.”
Resolution 1747 (March 24, 2007)
In this resolution, the Security Council builds on its previous decision to impose sanction on Tehran by banning arms exports from Iran and imposing a freeze on the financial assets of 28 individuals and entities. After lengthy negotiations, the text takes into account some of the concerns expressed by South Africa, Indonesia and Qatar, such as the acknowledgment that all parties to the NPT, including Iran, have a right to peaceful uses of nuclear technology. The resolution also includes mechanisms for future negotiation with Iran and reference to a nuclear-free Middle East.
Draft Resolution on Iran’s Nuclear Program (March 15, 2007)
The UN Security Council's draft resolution on Iran calls again on Tehran to comply with the demands of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) "to build confidence in the exclusively peaceful purpose of its nuclear program." Further, it restricts the sale of arms to Iran and prohibits financial assistance to Iran other than for humanitarian purposes. The director general of the IAEA is to submit a further report within 60 days on the extent of Tehran's compliance with Resolution 1737. The draft resolution affirms that all measures taken against Iran will be suspended contingent on Iran discontinuing its enrichment program.
Resolution 1737 (December 23, 2006)
The Security Council unanimously imposed sanctions against Iran. The text, calling for steps required by the IAEA, bans trade with Iran of all items, materials, equipment, goods and technology which could contribute to Tehran’s uranium enrichment program and contains a list of persons and entities, whose assets are subject to a freeze. It also established a new sanctions committee to monitor compliance of the resolution.
Resolution 1696 (June 31, 2006)
In this resolution, the Security Council endorses the offer of diplomatic and economic incentives put forward by the P5 and Germany and demands that Iran suspend all uranium enrichment programs by August 31. Acting “under Article 40 of Chapter VII of the United Nations in order to make mandatory the suspension required by the IAEA,” the Council threatens Iran with sanctions in case of non-compliance, but avoids any implication that use of force may be warranted. Iran has rejected the resolution claiming that it has only made negotiations more difficult.
What a logic! You may have thousands of options of war, but do not allow others to style protection. What is this? A natural behavior? From whom?
Whatever you are doing is of course your right, but things will settle in the right direction, no matter how much you and bush irritate. I do not consider United States as yours or bush’s personal property. United States is my protection too, and I have full right to differ with you. You are not the face of United States, so do not talk on behalf of all Americans. I know that Sheehan is not alone. There are millions peace loving there like Sheehan. You may express your view but you cannot impose your view. I do not request from you to favor me because your views have cut my hope into pieces, but there are millions who may agree to joint broken pieces without having options of war.
Find out peace, if it is in the beneath of earth, but ignore wars, even if they are visible like Himalaya.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
Yet the world agrees, why Muckmood?
October 31, 2007
Public: Iran Poses Greatest Threat to World Stability
October 31, 2007
Public: Iran Poses Greatest Threat to World Stability
No! World do not agree with that. You are part of the world but you are not the world, are you? I am from public and I say loudly and clearly that Iran poses no threat to the world at all.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
You should not feel regret on my imagine, instead on that of your Mullahs, for this lady below, is likely the trumpet that will blow their house down soon if others don’t as well.
Tzipi Livni now Israel’s PM ,She served as a young agent in Israel's foreign secret service, the Mossad, her background is more firmly embedded in Israel's right-wing. She was born into a "fighting family."
Tzipi Livni now Israel’s PM ,She served as a young agent in Israel's foreign secret service, the Mossad, her background is more firmly embedded in Israel's right-wing. She was born into a "fighting family."
I know Tzipi, she may surprise you. I have never known ever, that any woman can wage a war. I am sure that she is more Jew than your puppet. I believe that that women are the symbol of peace. Peace pours from women like life giving milk. Tzipi is one of those women. I hope so.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
No, quite the opposite, but anyone who threatens, needs to understand, threats are proportional to one’s ability to effect and make them, but equally proportional to those who can meet them in overwhelming response. A point the Mullahs leave to divinity at the Iranian peoples peril more and more every day, that is the point.
No one is threatening you. Go hospital and urge doctor to check your digestive system, ok?
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
you kill people through proxies and say it is tactics, I say it is your destruction strategy in waiting if you go to near in having nukes. As is an old Middle Eastern Custom, do not war on your enemy, until he has been so advised and warned, you know Muckmood, like the divine false 12th Imam, Mr A, and divine false Muallah’s have been long doing, and doing, and doing, thus I, in my humble way do say this to you. Some of us get it and know what is to come, and what we need to do about it. Your best hope is that those who do not know, do not know, until it is too late, then we pay, but you go big time away.
you are pointing to Hizbullah, aren’t you? So, what was the scenario before Hizbullah ? if, there was no Hizbullah, there would be anything else. So, please do not talk from the mouth of my six month old child, neither from the mouth of bush as well.
Go into the garden, stand up by the fresh flowers, take a long breath, and then sense peace. It is near you. Touch it. Kiss it. It is your nature.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
I noticed their great celebrations in these trails of tears today, doing exactly the same, 7 years ago,” Moving hands in the air with happiness and pride, now ever since, the multitudes upon multitudes full of joy back then are now tearful for those who cheered, it is the way is it not, in this 8th century mindset, that of revenge and no mercy, until the Debts of threat and revenge have been paid and those enemies of joy, repent and convert to ways of assured peace, hey Muckmood?
so, those who did a wrong thing, what do they deserve ? elimination ? isn’t it better to make them ashamed of themselves of their highly objectionable actions? Killing them is a right solution ??? No! its not right. One wrong move cannot be countered with another wrong move. Revenge has no approach in healthy people. If, you want to touch heart, touch softly. Think about it.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
And exactly how that is different, from your proxies of radical Islam and your Mullahs standards, Muckmood?
Radical Islam ??? you created radical islam. You created mujahidin, because you wanted to disintegrate USSR. Even today, you have another group of mujahidin in reserve, MKO ? so, your song of radical islam has no sense. You know? you have created, printed and distributed the syllabus of mujahidins in 1980s, have you forgotten all that? It’s you, who have taught them the syllabus of radical islam. They were not radical before that. You have radicalize innocent human beings just to use them as tools. Is this your sensitivity and sincerity towards mankind?
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
See, that is what I am talking about threats, one should not do them unless they are prepared for someone to take them seriously, and decide to eliminate even the potential of threat before it can do any harm.
It is on that soft rock of death that your Mullahs have you standing, as did Saddam, the Taliban and Al Qe’aed, and many more like them in antiquity, which has brought vast destruction upon the innocent, from which they cower like women, to shield themselves from the consequences of their vile evil ways at deadly cost to the good people of Islam, as are your Mullahs now willing to do as second time as they will in false beliefs of their own divinity to waste the best of Iran, in a winless cause.
It is on that soft rock of death that your Mullahs have you standing, as did Saddam, the Taliban and Al Qe’aed, and many more like them in antiquity, which has brought vast destruction upon the innocent, from which they cower like women, to shield themselves from the consequences of their vile evil ways at deadly cost to the good people of Islam, as are your Mullahs now willing to do as second time as they will in false beliefs of their own divinity to waste the best of Iran, in a winless cause.
saddam was your fixture. Qaeda has been your girl friend. Talibans have been your business partners. Have you forgotten when you called on talibans in Washington by addressing them: “My Dear Guests.” Iranian Religious Leaders do not act like this. Iranian Religious Leaders do not even like to sit with these qaedas for a second. Do you think that people of the world have forgotten all that?
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
I use others education, if it humiliates, it is the burden of their education to a reality I see. For Humility cannot be established, it is instead confirmed by acceptance in those who are so humiliated, not the innocent and strong of righteousness, who do present themselves as vassals of humiliation, by act, word and deed.
you do not make any sense. You do not use others education, but you create and use qaeda, talibans and mujahidins. This is something you never admit, however, it has been written in history in your credit.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
I think the man, who pretends there are not dangers, dangerous people and nations in the world, who is not planned in expertise, to NOT be harmed and eliminated by them, does not deserve to exists, unless he willing fight for his existence.
That my friend is something afar from your harangued lack of grasp of the clear and present danger that are in this world, just waiting for the weakest links mistake in underestimating their intent and capability. The world has walk this misjudgment path to the tune of hundreds of millions of lives, were Unity in strength and preparedness and willingness to use it at the opportune time, may have made a difference in those outcomes in that regard.
That my friend is something afar from your harangued lack of grasp of the clear and present danger that are in this world, just waiting for the weakest links mistake in underestimating their intent and capability. The world has walk this misjudgment path to the tune of hundreds of millions of lives, were Unity in strength and preparedness and willingness to use it at the opportune time, may have made a difference in those outcomes in that regard.
lack of grasp or lack of reason? You have everything from bombs to boats but reason is something different. You cannot produce reason on compromised technology.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 18 2008, 11:48 AM)
We have our weakest link’s who are not proud to be Americans, but they would not have anything but the America they whine and complain about, that millions upon millions, want to come to.
It has been hard work, ingenuity, preparedness, hope, freedom, opportunity, near as one can get, equality, and yes pride in America that has made her the 3rd most populist country, among, if not the richest, and few would argue among, if not the most powerful in the world for now. It will take more of the same to maintain that core of all that is America. I am not ashamed of America, Muckmood, as I have no reason to be so. Americans have a long record of doing far more good than harm in their history, yet, not perfectly in outcomes, as no one else has either. We are oddly criticized for doing WHAT OTHERS DO, act in her own self interests, just like all their nations have done in their histories.
To argue we have no right to do what is best for us against those who oppose us, is as stupid as my saying those who oppose us, have no right to do what is in their best interest.
It is the outcome of consequences that in life and history that determines the right or wrong in doing what one thinks is best for their own. At the height of Imperial Iran, they did what was in their best interests, were outcomes were good, and then bad.
Same for our Imperial European utopians of today, outcomes of what they thought were in their best interests in the past ebbed and flowed in outcomes, where now, they weak in lost memories of the past in Utopian nanny state enterprises, ready to talk all year long, ready to do, very little all year long.
Take your Mr A and his leaders, the Mullah’s, they are, in their minds, doing, with the threats, the nukes and support of their favorite flavors of radical Islam, what they assume are the right thing for Iran. Thus, we who oppose them, doing the same, will intersects in outcomes to see if the wisdom of those ideas in conclusion bring the right or wrong thing, as a result of the course laid, is my point.
It has been hard work, ingenuity, preparedness, hope, freedom, opportunity, near as one can get, equality, and yes pride in America that has made her the 3rd most populist country, among, if not the richest, and few would argue among, if not the most powerful in the world for now. It will take more of the same to maintain that core of all that is America. I am not ashamed of America, Muckmood, as I have no reason to be so. Americans have a long record of doing far more good than harm in their history, yet, not perfectly in outcomes, as no one else has either. We are oddly criticized for doing WHAT OTHERS DO, act in her own self interests, just like all their nations have done in their histories.
To argue we have no right to do what is best for us against those who oppose us, is as stupid as my saying those who oppose us, have no right to do what is in their best interest.
It is the outcome of consequences that in life and history that determines the right or wrong in doing what one thinks is best for their own. At the height of Imperial Iran, they did what was in their best interests, were outcomes were good, and then bad.
Same for our Imperial European utopians of today, outcomes of what they thought were in their best interests in the past ebbed and flowed in outcomes, where now, they weak in lost memories of the past in Utopian nanny state enterprises, ready to talk all year long, ready to do, very little all year long.
Take your Mr A and his leaders, the Mullah’s, they are, in their minds, doing, with the threats, the nukes and support of their favorite flavors of radical Islam, what they assume are the right thing for Iran. Thus, we who oppose them, doing the same, will intersects in outcomes to see if the wisdom of those ideas in conclusion bring the right or wrong thing, as a result of the course laid, is my point.
You have every right to decide what is best for you. Who says no?
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 5 2008, 08:04 AM)
House of Saud or Al-Qaeda, Two Faces of Same Coin.
Yes. The Ikhwan (brotherhood) was formed in Saudi Arabia in 1912. They were the militia that brought Ibn Saud and the House of Saud back to power in Saudi Arabia. Once they had control of Saudi Arabia, Ibn wasnt able to hold back their zeal for Islamic conquest. They began invasions into Iraq and when Ibn tried to stop them, the more militant members began to revolt against him. Ibn crushed the revolt and began expelling portions of the Ikhwan from Saudi Arabia. Many ended up in Egypt and helped form the Muslim Brotherhood. Those who remained were turned into the Saudi National Guard. The two opposing ideologies have been at it ever since. Unfortunately the Saudis to often turn to appeasement with their enemies, as opposed to confrontation.
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Iran threatens western powers with sanctions
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/P...how/3451556.cms
Iran Threatens with World War
http://poligazette.com/2008/08/30/iran-thr...with-world-war/
Iran calls Sarkozy nuclear claims 'baseless'
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgPEM_...AyQB2ed4oIbibHg
09/08/2008 12:23
IRAN
In August inflation reached 27.6 per cent in Tehran
Central bank figures show upward trend. In the previous three months the consumer price index rose 26.1, 25 and 24 per cent respectively
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&...3156&size=A
No! World do not agree with that. You are part of the world but you are not the world, are you? I am from public and I say loudly and clearly that Iran poses no threat to the world at all.
Just like Saddam who had more than a chance with all of Europe, including Russian and China eagerly falling all over themselves wanting to prove Saddam had no WMD or secret plans, yet, he played games, blocking inspectors like Iran does, thus left it unclear so that the Europeans and especially the Russian could stop the war by his merely opening ALL doors everywhere, yet he would not, and well, it was a BIG mistake hey.
Iran is in a very similar position, the Russian Plan to control all fissionable material and move it out Iran, would make Iran not being a real threat VERY CLEAR TO ALL and thus making Iran believable it did not want Nukes, that NO one is going to let them have without destroying them and or Iran. Let the IAEC and the Russian plan be made possible and I’ts over, as Iran without Nukes is unquestionably really no threat to anyone militarily.
Even today, you have another group of mujahidin in reserve, MKO ? so, your song of radical Islam has no sense. You know? you have created, printed and distributed the syllabus of mujahidins in 1980s, have you forgotten all that? It’s you, who have taught them the syllabus of radical islam. They were not radical before that. You have radicalize innocent human beings just to use them as tools. Is this your sensitivity and sincerity towards mankind?
Let’s get this cool aid straight, we created Mohammad and the centuries bloodbaths that followed him, now reinvented by a bunch rag head extremist and it is our creation, Oh yeah, you got a good view reality Muckmood, A belief in A truth, but not anywhere near the truth. But Cool aid is far more available in La la land than deductive reasoning based on every view of the facts.
You created mujahidin, because you wanted to disintegrate USSR.
Oops, ignorance quota reached, cool aid overdose concluded. "Mujahideen" means struggler. It is Arabic, taken on in meanings that are specifically religious, or specifically military or paramilitary, or both. The USA never created Arabic and this word was created in Arabic for a very specific reason centuries ago to kill the unbelievers and spread Islam. This word has been used in formal titles of Muslim leaders who prided themselves on (and legitimated their conquests by) Jihad bis saïf, holy war in the name of establishing Islamic rule, even at very high political level: no lesser ruler than Sultan Murad Khan II Khoja-Ghazi, sixth Sovereign of the House of Osman (1421–1451), had as full style 'Abu'l Hayrat, Sultan ul-Mujahidin, Khan of Khans, Grand Sultan of Anatolia and Rumelia, and of the Cities of Adrianople and Philippolis, including the formal title "Sultan of mujahideen." Try again Muckmood.
The 21st century version reborn and became the name of various armed fighters who self subscribed to militant Islamic radical ideologies identifying themselves as mujahideen.
The mujahideen you speak so ignorantly of, for being a self prescribe Iranian or Muslim, came into being from various loosely-aligned Afghan opposition groups, who initially fought against the incumbent pro-Soviet Afghan government during the late 1970s. ( Long before any limited US involvement in that war and long before The Russian came to Afghanistan.) So again your knowledge of what you claim is essences to your being is pathetic in its lack of knowledge on these things you speak of.
Later, as the original Afghan/ Arab Mujahideen began to win against the Russian backed Afghan government, it allegedly by the Russians, like Georgia, requested, the Soviet Union become involved in the war. So they invaded and increase the Arab, mostly, if not all Sunni foreign fighters thus supported by mostly Sunni Governments , along with what was the original Afghan mujahideen insurgency.
As to backers of that which was already created and fighting for years, the governments of Saudi Arabia, Syria, the People's Republic of China, several Western European countries, The US, even Iran, and Zia-ul-Haq's military regime in Pakistan via Pakistan’s intelligence service were the near sole source of all assistance to those fighting the Russians. The fight began in earnestby his newly constituted ARAB Sunni Afghani mujahideen. A term long used as a cry for holly war for centuries by those who then were fighting very successfully for years against the Soviet and Afghan government troops during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
After the Soviet Union pulled out in defeat by late 1989, the so called mujahideen began to fight each other in the subsequent Afghan Civil War. The so called united Mujahideen against the Soviets, was then fractured into many competing elements and groups.
One of these groups came out of the uncontrolled regions of Pakistan made up Sunni Muslims that called themselves the Taliban, the students, who were and are primarily, if not exclusively backed elements within Saudi Arabia. Iran’s mortal enemy since long ago and if the US were to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan would be a deadly force facing Iran intent on ending the Shiite Lower cast of Islam for ever and you Mullah know that.
Bottom line the Sunni extremist along with the Opportunist of Al’ Qu’eda jointed up and took control, sadly for Taliban, they made a Big mistake and now upwards of 75,000 Taliban and Al’Queda fighters have died from that miscalculation just in Pakistan and Afghanistan alone. Lesson learned, do not turn on a friend who has helped you win a great victory, thinking, mistakenly, they are as weak as those you defeated. This is the error of the Taliban and Al qu’eada made, Saddam made, and now the Mullahs of Iran are about to make, to a consequence far beyond any seen thus far.
I should be charging a tutors fee for teaching you so much you do not know about Islam, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
so, those who did a wrong thing, what do they deserve ? elimination ? isn’t it better to make them ashamed of themselves of their highly objectionable actions? Killing them is a right solution ??? No! its not right. One wrong move cannot be countered with another wrong move. Revenge has no approach in healthy people. If, you want to touch heart, touch softly. Think about it.
Do you have even the remotest idea how many Muslims have been killed by other Muslims in the last 100 years compared to those your hyperbole yarns pretend have been killed by non-Muslim? Quit killing you own, and you will see the killing stop. Until them, you sit opened mouth, in empty words and cold hearts of apathy seeking to blame what is your murderous shame most of all.
Even today, you have another group of mujahidin in reserve, MKO ? so, your song of radical islam has no sense. You know? you have created, printed and distributed the syllabus of mujahidins in 1980s, have you forgotten all that? It’s you, who have taught them the syllabus of radical islam. They were not radical before that. You have radicalize innocent human beings just to use them as tools. Is this your sensitivity and sincerity towards mankind?
saddam was your fixture. Qaeda has been your girl friend. Talibans have been your business partners. Have you forgotten when you called on talibans in Washington by addressing them: “My Dear Guests.” Iranian Religious Leaders do not act like this. Iranian Religious Leaders do not even like to sit with these qaedas for a second. Do you think that people of the world have forgotten all that?
Let me see, the Mullah’s using 6th century logic are not wanting to be with their sworn enemies, the upper class Sunni, who would and has for centuries tried to destroy them, and, visa versa, and that is America’s fault you idiots of the left and right hand of Mohammad cannot agree on what IS Islam’s best parts, among each, and combined them, instead of killing each other like Barbarians for centuries, even in the first Iraq Iran war, and expect during this year, the last three years, committed mass murder upon each other’s Tribal so called TRUTHS of Islam in Iraq. Is that your over cool aid harangue you want to point out?.
you do not make any sense. You do not use others education, but you create and use qaeda, talibans and mujahidins. This is something you never admit, however, it has been written in history in your credit.
Here you are comatose in a Cool aid overdose I fear, Muckmood.
lack of grasp or lack of reason? You have everything from bombs to boats but reason is something different. You cannot produce reason on compromised technology.
I have no idea what your point is, mine was simple, there are threats out there in the world and only the dead or those willing to risk death and destruction, who are willing to rely on the rationality of reason to ensure without risk these threats never get the opportunity to do as they have the potential to do. What part of that did you not get?
You have every right to decide what is best for you. Who says no?
You have my Ruckshack, at every turn, about Afghanistan, Iraq And about Iran..So now you agree, that if Mr. A makes it appear like Saddam’s misjudged in faking his WMD ability and not allowing his willing friend proof otherwise, that he had no ability to do harm to America and or its allies, as Saddam and the Mullahs have already proven they had and have intent to do. God willing, we have every right to destroy any and all capability within Iran’s to such a extent that it can never attempt to reconstitute such threats as made openly and often with its hands on nukes.
That is all!!
Iran threatens western powers with sanctions
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/P...how/3451556.cms
Iran Threatens with World War
http://poligazette.com/2008/08/30/iran-thr...with-world-war/
Iran calls Sarkozy nuclear claims 'baseless'
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgPEM_...AyQB2ed4oIbibHg
09/08/2008 12:23
IRAN
In August inflation reached 27.6 per cent in Tehran
Central bank figures show upward trend. In the previous three months the consumer price index rose 26.1, 25 and 24 per cent respectively
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&...3156&size=A
No! World do not agree with that. You are part of the world but you are not the world, are you? I am from public and I say loudly and clearly that Iran poses no threat to the world at all.
Just like Saddam who had more than a chance with all of Europe, including Russian and China eagerly falling all over themselves wanting to prove Saddam had no WMD or secret plans, yet, he played games, blocking inspectors like Iran does, thus left it unclear so that the Europeans and especially the Russian could stop the war by his merely opening ALL doors everywhere, yet he would not, and well, it was a BIG mistake hey.
Iran is in a very similar position, the Russian Plan to control all fissionable material and move it out Iran, would make Iran not being a real threat VERY CLEAR TO ALL and thus making Iran believable it did not want Nukes, that NO one is going to let them have without destroying them and or Iran. Let the IAEC and the Russian plan be made possible and I’ts over, as Iran without Nukes is unquestionably really no threat to anyone militarily.
Even today, you have another group of mujahidin in reserve, MKO ? so, your song of radical Islam has no sense. You know? you have created, printed and distributed the syllabus of mujahidins in 1980s, have you forgotten all that? It’s you, who have taught them the syllabus of radical islam. They were not radical before that. You have radicalize innocent human beings just to use them as tools. Is this your sensitivity and sincerity towards mankind?
Let’s get this cool aid straight, we created Mohammad and the centuries bloodbaths that followed him, now reinvented by a bunch rag head extremist and it is our creation, Oh yeah, you got a good view reality Muckmood, A belief in A truth, but not anywhere near the truth. But Cool aid is far more available in La la land than deductive reasoning based on every view of the facts.
You created mujahidin, because you wanted to disintegrate USSR.
Oops, ignorance quota reached, cool aid overdose concluded. "Mujahideen" means struggler. It is Arabic, taken on in meanings that are specifically religious, or specifically military or paramilitary, or both. The USA never created Arabic and this word was created in Arabic for a very specific reason centuries ago to kill the unbelievers and spread Islam. This word has been used in formal titles of Muslim leaders who prided themselves on (and legitimated their conquests by) Jihad bis saïf, holy war in the name of establishing Islamic rule, even at very high political level: no lesser ruler than Sultan Murad Khan II Khoja-Ghazi, sixth Sovereign of the House of Osman (1421–1451), had as full style 'Abu'l Hayrat, Sultan ul-Mujahidin, Khan of Khans, Grand Sultan of Anatolia and Rumelia, and of the Cities of Adrianople and Philippolis, including the formal title "Sultan of mujahideen." Try again Muckmood.
The 21st century version reborn and became the name of various armed fighters who self subscribed to militant Islamic radical ideologies identifying themselves as mujahideen.
The mujahideen you speak so ignorantly of, for being a self prescribe Iranian or Muslim, came into being from various loosely-aligned Afghan opposition groups, who initially fought against the incumbent pro-Soviet Afghan government during the late 1970s. ( Long before any limited US involvement in that war and long before The Russian came to Afghanistan.) So again your knowledge of what you claim is essences to your being is pathetic in its lack of knowledge on these things you speak of.
Later, as the original Afghan/ Arab Mujahideen began to win against the Russian backed Afghan government, it allegedly by the Russians, like Georgia, requested, the Soviet Union become involved in the war. So they invaded and increase the Arab, mostly, if not all Sunni foreign fighters thus supported by mostly Sunni Governments , along with what was the original Afghan mujahideen insurgency.
As to backers of that which was already created and fighting for years, the governments of Saudi Arabia, Syria, the People's Republic of China, several Western European countries, The US, even Iran, and Zia-ul-Haq's military regime in Pakistan via Pakistan’s intelligence service were the near sole source of all assistance to those fighting the Russians. The fight began in earnestby his newly constituted ARAB Sunni Afghani mujahideen. A term long used as a cry for holly war for centuries by those who then were fighting very successfully for years against the Soviet and Afghan government troops during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
After the Soviet Union pulled out in defeat by late 1989, the so called mujahideen began to fight each other in the subsequent Afghan Civil War. The so called united Mujahideen against the Soviets, was then fractured into many competing elements and groups.
One of these groups came out of the uncontrolled regions of Pakistan made up Sunni Muslims that called themselves the Taliban, the students, who were and are primarily, if not exclusively backed elements within Saudi Arabia. Iran’s mortal enemy since long ago and if the US were to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan would be a deadly force facing Iran intent on ending the Shiite Lower cast of Islam for ever and you Mullah know that.
Bottom line the Sunni extremist along with the Opportunist of Al’ Qu’eda jointed up and took control, sadly for Taliban, they made a Big mistake and now upwards of 75,000 Taliban and Al’Queda fighters have died from that miscalculation just in Pakistan and Afghanistan alone. Lesson learned, do not turn on a friend who has helped you win a great victory, thinking, mistakenly, they are as weak as those you defeated. This is the error of the Taliban and Al qu’eada made, Saddam made, and now the Mullahs of Iran are about to make, to a consequence far beyond any seen thus far.
I should be charging a tutors fee for teaching you so much you do not know about Islam, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
so, those who did a wrong thing, what do they deserve ? elimination ? isn’t it better to make them ashamed of themselves of their highly objectionable actions? Killing them is a right solution ??? No! its not right. One wrong move cannot be countered with another wrong move. Revenge has no approach in healthy people. If, you want to touch heart, touch softly. Think about it.
Do you have even the remotest idea how many Muslims have been killed by other Muslims in the last 100 years compared to those your hyperbole yarns pretend have been killed by non-Muslim? Quit killing you own, and you will see the killing stop. Until them, you sit opened mouth, in empty words and cold hearts of apathy seeking to blame what is your murderous shame most of all.
Even today, you have another group of mujahidin in reserve, MKO ? so, your song of radical islam has no sense. You know? you have created, printed and distributed the syllabus of mujahidins in 1980s, have you forgotten all that? It’s you, who have taught them the syllabus of radical islam. They were not radical before that. You have radicalize innocent human beings just to use them as tools. Is this your sensitivity and sincerity towards mankind?
saddam was your fixture. Qaeda has been your girl friend. Talibans have been your business partners. Have you forgotten when you called on talibans in Washington by addressing them: “My Dear Guests.” Iranian Religious Leaders do not act like this. Iranian Religious Leaders do not even like to sit with these qaedas for a second. Do you think that people of the world have forgotten all that?
Let me see, the Mullah’s using 6th century logic are not wanting to be with their sworn enemies, the upper class Sunni, who would and has for centuries tried to destroy them, and, visa versa, and that is America’s fault you idiots of the left and right hand of Mohammad cannot agree on what IS Islam’s best parts, among each, and combined them, instead of killing each other like Barbarians for centuries, even in the first Iraq Iran war, and expect during this year, the last three years, committed mass murder upon each other’s Tribal so called TRUTHS of Islam in Iraq. Is that your over cool aid harangue you want to point out?.
you do not make any sense. You do not use others education, but you create and use qaeda, talibans and mujahidins. This is something you never admit, however, it has been written in history in your credit.
Here you are comatose in a Cool aid overdose I fear, Muckmood.
lack of grasp or lack of reason? You have everything from bombs to boats but reason is something different. You cannot produce reason on compromised technology.
I have no idea what your point is, mine was simple, there are threats out there in the world and only the dead or those willing to risk death and destruction, who are willing to rely on the rationality of reason to ensure without risk these threats never get the opportunity to do as they have the potential to do. What part of that did you not get?
You have every right to decide what is best for you. Who says no?
You have my Ruckshack, at every turn, about Afghanistan, Iraq And about Iran..So now you agree, that if Mr. A makes it appear like Saddam’s misjudged in faking his WMD ability and not allowing his willing friend proof otherwise, that he had no ability to do harm to America and or its allies, as Saddam and the Mullahs have already proven they had and have intent to do. God willing, we have every right to destroy any and all capability within Iran’s to such a extent that it can never attempt to reconstitute such threats as made openly and often with its hands on nukes.
That is all!!
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 20 2008, 12:24 PM)
Iran threatens western powers with sanctions
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/P...how/3451556.cms
Iran Threatens with World War
http://poligazette.com/2008/08/30/iran-thr...with-world-war/
Iran calls Sarkozy nuclear claims 'baseless'
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgPEM_...AyQB2ed4oIbibHg
In August inflation reached 27.6 per cent in Tehran
Central bank figures show upward trend. In the previous three months the consumer price index rose 26.1, 25 and 24 per cent respectively
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&...3156&size=A
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/P...how/3451556.cms
Iran Threatens with World War
http://poligazette.com/2008/08/30/iran-thr...with-world-war/
Iran calls Sarkozy nuclear claims 'baseless'
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hgPEM_...AyQB2ed4oIbibHg
In August inflation reached 27.6 per cent in Tehran
Central bank figures show upward trend. In the previous three months the consumer price index rose 26.1, 25 and 24 per cent respectively
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&...3156&size=A
What do you think honestly? When you blame Iran that Iran is secretly producing atomic bombs without proof and justification, then what should Iran do???
Should Iran say: "Yes! My Lord, while its not true but you are???"
should Iran say: "Yes! Your honor! Your unjustified blame is true???"
And, then, when you threaten Iran of bombing without justification, then what should iran do???
Should Iran say: "Yes Sir! We, the most obedient servants are ready to be killed???"
Just think with cool mind. Never think when you have two atomic bombs in each hand, and the third one in your hip pocket, the fourth one in your underwear and you are ready to have big laugh. Think like an innocent human being.
Yes! Inflation rate has reached high in iran, but it is due to international economy problems, and govt there, is working to overcome the problem. You will see the results within six months. May I ask you to inform that what the inflation rate is in your administered Iraq and Afghanistan? What is the situation of education, water and electricity there today in your administered Iraq and Afghanistan ?
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 20 2008, 12:24 PM)
Just like Saddam who had more than a chance with all of Europe, including Russian and China eagerly falling all over themselves wanting to prove Saddam had no WMD or secret plans, yet, he played games, blocking inspectors like Iran does, thus left it unclear so that the Europeans and especially the Russian could stop the war by his merely opening ALL doors everywhere, yet he would not, and well, it was a BIG mistake hey.
Iran is in a very similar position, the Russian Plan to control all fissionable material and move it out Iran, would make Iran not being a real threat VERY CLEAR TO ALL and thus making Iran believable it did not want Nukes, that NO one is going to let them have without destroying them and or Iran. Let the IAEC and the Russian plan be made possible and I'ts over, as Iran without Nukes is unquestionably really no threat to anyone militarily.
Iran is in a very similar position, the Russian Plan to control all fissionable material and move it out Iran, would make Iran not being a real threat VERY CLEAR TO ALL and thus making Iran believable it did not want Nukes, that NO one is going to let them have without destroying them and or Iran. Let the IAEC and the Russian plan be made possible and I'ts over, as Iran without Nukes is unquestionably really no threat to anyone militarily.
No! you are not correct.
During last three years, watchdogs have inspected atomic sites in Iran for more than one thousand times. There are live cameras fixed. No report says categorically that Iran is or has been preparing atomic bombs.
Saddam did not allow live cameras or such a massive inspections.
There is a big difference between Iran and saddam.
Saddam was in a belief that he can threaten the world through wars and invasions.
Saddam waged wars and invaded various countries throughout his lifetime.
This is not the case with Iran.
Iran does not need nukes. Iran knows this very well.
You know? when so called friend murmurs in the ear that ‘develop atomic bombs’ then iran does not run to develop atomic bombs but Iran thinks first that why this so called friend is telling this. Iran has been tried to trap into this at various occasions but, this is Iran.
Iran has eyes on future. Iran does not believe in cheap atomic bombs.
My dear! You have lot of weapons but you need a reason to use them. In case of Iran, you cannot create reasons. That’s the difference. Yes! You are free to use your weapons without reasons, but with no required results. The best weapon of Iran is reason, and you cannot stop iran from siding with reason. Even, unsc cannot do anything into this.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 20 2008, 12:24 PM)
Let's get this cool aid straight, we created Mohammad and the centuries bloodbaths that followed him, now reinvented by a bunch rag head extremist and it is our creation, Oh yeah, you got a good view reality Muckmood, A belief in A truth, but not anywhere near the truth. But Cool aid is far more available in La la land than deductive reasoning based on every view of the facts.
I don’t know if you have created mohammad and now you produce his cartoons. Ok, its your own problem, however, this is hundred percent correct that you are or were the creator or supporter of mujahidins, qaeda, house of saud, mko, jundullah and talibans. You cannot deny this, can you?
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 20 2008, 12:24 PM)
Oops, ignorance quota reached, cool aid overdose concluded. "Mujahideen" means struggler. It is Arabic, taken on in meanings that are specifically religious, or specifically military or paramilitary, or both. The USA never created Arabic and this word was created in Arabic for a very specific reason centuries ago to kill the unbelievers and spread Islam. This word has been used in formal titles of Muslim leaders who prided themselves on (and legitimated their conquests by) Jihad bis saïf, holy war in the name of establishing Islamic rule, even at very high political level: no lesser ruler than Sultan Murad Khan II Khoja-Ghazi, sixth Sovereign of the House of Osman (1421–1451), had as full style 'Abu'l Hayrat, Sultan ul-Mujahidin, Khan of Khans, Grand Sultan of Anatolia and Rumelia, and of the Cities of Adrianople and Philippolis, including the formal title "Sultan of mujahideen." Try again Muckmood.
The 21st century version reborn and became the name of various armed fighters who self subscribed to militant Islamic radical ideologies identifying themselves as mujahideen.
The mujahideen you speak so ignorantly of, for being a self prescribe Iranian or Muslim, came into being from various loosely-aligned Afghan opposition groups, who initially fought against the incumbent pro-Soviet Afghan government during the late 1970s. ( Long before any limited US involvement in that war and long before The Russian came to Afghanistan.) So again your knowledge of what you claim is essences to your being is pathetic in its lack of knowledge on these things you speak of.
Later, as the original Afghan/ Arab Mujahideen began to win against the Russian backed Afghan government, it allegedly by the Russians, like Georgia, requested, the Soviet Union become involved in the war. So they invaded and increase the Arab, mostly, if not all Sunni foreign fighters thus supported by mostly Sunni Governments , along with what was the original Afghan mujahideen insurgency.
As to backers of that which was already created and fighting for years, the governments of Saudi Arabia, Syria, the People's Republic of China, several Western European countries, The US, even Iran, and Zia-ul-Haq's military regime in Pakistan via Pakistan's intelligence service were the near sole source of all assistance to those fighting the Russians. The fight began in earnestby his newly constituted ARAB Sunni Afghani mujahideen. A term long used as a cry for holly war for centuries by those who then were fighting very successfully for years against the Soviet and Afghan government troops during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
After the Soviet Union pulled out in defeat by late 1989, the so called mujahideen began to fight each other in the subsequent Afghan Civil War. The so called united Mujahideen against the Soviets, was then fractured into many competing elements and groups.
One of these groups came out of the uncontrolled regions of Pakistan made up Sunni Muslims that called themselves the Taliban, the students, who were and are primarily, if not exclusively backed elements within Saudi Arabia. Iran's mortal enemy since long ago and if the US were to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan would be a deadly force facing Iran intent on ending the Shiite Lower cast of Islam for ever and you Mullah know that.
Bottom line the Sunni extremist along with the Opportunist of Al' Qu'eda jointed up and took control, sadly for Taliban, they made a Big mistake and now upwards of 75,000 Taliban and Al'Queda fighters have died from that miscalculation just in Pakistan and Afghanistan alone. Lesson learned, do not turn on a friend who has helped you win a great victory, thinking, mistakenly, they are as weak as those you defeated. This is the error of the Taliban and Al qu'eada made, Saddam made, and now the Mullahs of Iran are about to make, to a consequence far beyond any seen thus far.
I should be charging a tutors fee for teaching you so much you do not know about Islam, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
The 21st century version reborn and became the name of various armed fighters who self subscribed to militant Islamic radical ideologies identifying themselves as mujahideen.
The mujahideen you speak so ignorantly of, for being a self prescribe Iranian or Muslim, came into being from various loosely-aligned Afghan opposition groups, who initially fought against the incumbent pro-Soviet Afghan government during the late 1970s. ( Long before any limited US involvement in that war and long before The Russian came to Afghanistan.) So again your knowledge of what you claim is essences to your being is pathetic in its lack of knowledge on these things you speak of.
Later, as the original Afghan/ Arab Mujahideen began to win against the Russian backed Afghan government, it allegedly by the Russians, like Georgia, requested, the Soviet Union become involved in the war. So they invaded and increase the Arab, mostly, if not all Sunni foreign fighters thus supported by mostly Sunni Governments , along with what was the original Afghan mujahideen insurgency.
As to backers of that which was already created and fighting for years, the governments of Saudi Arabia, Syria, the People's Republic of China, several Western European countries, The US, even Iran, and Zia-ul-Haq's military regime in Pakistan via Pakistan's intelligence service were the near sole source of all assistance to those fighting the Russians. The fight began in earnestby his newly constituted ARAB Sunni Afghani mujahideen. A term long used as a cry for holly war for centuries by those who then were fighting very successfully for years against the Soviet and Afghan government troops during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
After the Soviet Union pulled out in defeat by late 1989, the so called mujahideen began to fight each other in the subsequent Afghan Civil War. The so called united Mujahideen against the Soviets, was then fractured into many competing elements and groups.
One of these groups came out of the uncontrolled regions of Pakistan made up Sunni Muslims that called themselves the Taliban, the students, who were and are primarily, if not exclusively backed elements within Saudi Arabia. Iran's mortal enemy since long ago and if the US were to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan would be a deadly force facing Iran intent on ending the Shiite Lower cast of Islam for ever and you Mullah know that.
Bottom line the Sunni extremist along with the Opportunist of Al' Qu'eda jointed up and took control, sadly for Taliban, they made a Big mistake and now upwards of 75,000 Taliban and Al'Queda fighters have died from that miscalculation just in Pakistan and Afghanistan alone. Lesson learned, do not turn on a friend who has helped you win a great victory, thinking, mistakenly, they are as weak as those you defeated. This is the error of the Taliban and Al qu'eada made, Saddam made, and now the Mullahs of Iran are about to make, to a consequence far beyond any seen thus far.
I should be charging a tutors fee for teaching you so much you do not know about Islam, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
so, now Russia has invaded Georgia like once they had invaded Afghanistan. So, would you please inform that when you are going to create another group of mujahidin or ‘struggler’ in Georgia, as you once created in Afghanistan ???
would it be English style or Arabic style or it would be Georgian style?
If, you did not mean the ‘Arabic’ one then why you published the syllabus for mujahidins in Arabic???
And, please tell another thing that where and when you realized that mujahidins or talibans have become Arabic style???
Before they refused pipeline deal or after the refusal ???
No! you can’t charge a penny from me because you are trying to teach me without written agreement, can you??
Actually, I never liked Baltimore song or Arabic dance.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 20 2008, 12:24 PM)
Do you have even the remotest idea how many Muslims have been killed by other Muslims in the last 100 years compared to those your hyperbole yarns pretend have been killed by non-Muslim? Quit killing you own, and you will see the killing stop. Until them, you sit opened mouth, in empty words and cold hearts of apathy seeking to blame what is your murderous shame most of all.
What muslim/non-muslim?
I am not discussing things with you from muslim or non-muslim point of view, but I am discussing things from the point of view of a common human being.
Why you insert religions every where???
If muslims have killed many then is it necessary for you to kill atleast half of that quantity or full whatever to write it down in the book of history that muslims were not alone in this sin???
what is the difference between you and muslims, if this is the case??
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 20 2008, 12:24 PM)
Let me see, the Mullah's using 6th century logic are not wanting to be with their sworn enemies, the upper class Sunni, who would and has for centuries tried to destroy them, and, visa versa, and that is America's fault you idiots of the left and right hand of Mohammad cannot agree on what IS Islam's best parts, among each, and combined them, instead of killing each other like Barbarians for centuries, even in the first Iraq Iran war, and expect during this year, the last three years, committed mass murder upon each other's Tribal so called TRUTHS of Islam in Iraq. Is that your over cool aid harangue you want to point out?.
again you slipped into muslim past???
What is the matter with you???
On one hand, you call me ‘sixth century’ while on the other hand, you have nothing in your treasure of writing except sixth century references???
What is this?? From the top of the advancement, you can only see sixth century references ???
come to the today’s world Mr. Anti-Nejad !
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 20 2008, 12:24 PM)
Here you are comatose in a Cool aid overdose I fear, Muckmood.
I am neither comatose nor overdosed.
This is another of yours self created blames.
Will you raise it too in UNSC ???
oh, please don’t do it.
I cannot face financial sanctions.
However, Iran can.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 20 2008, 12:24 PM)
I have no idea what your point is, mine was simple, there are threats out there in the world and only the dead or those willing to risk death and destruction, who are willing to rely on the rationality of reason to ensure without risk these threats never get the opportunity to do as they have the potential to do. What part of that did you not get?
I did not get it because I am not willing to get it because your arguments lack the logic.
What I know very well is that that Iran has never been a threat to anyone.
Iran has always been a shelter of peace to everyone.
So, make a bridge of peace with iran, it will not harm you.
Neither iran is creating any threat against you nor you can create any threat against iran.
please throw out this ‘threat play’ and sit for peace with iran. this is within reach and will bring you best results.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 20 2008, 12:24 PM)
You have my Ruckshack, at every turn, about Afghanistan, Iraq And about Iran..So now you agree, that if Mr. A makes it appear like Saddam's misjudged in faking his WMD ability and not allowing his willing friend proof otherwise, that he had no ability to do harm to America and or its allies, as Saddam and the Mullahs have already proven they had and have intent to do. God willing, we have every right to destroy any and all capability within Iran's to such a extent that it can never attempt to reconstitute such threats as made openly and often with its hands on nukes.
That is all!!
That is all!!
No! No..No. please do not find saddams or his generals in iran.
this is useless in case of iran.
you cannot combine saddam with iran.
if you don’t believe then go ahead and try.
Iran is a peaceful country and wants to have good relations with everyone.
So, say yes to iran’s call of peace. Ok?
is that all ?
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 20 2008, 07:48 PM)
No! No..No. please do not find saddams or his generals in iran.
this is useless in case of iran.
you cannot combine saddam with iran.
if you don’t believe then go ahead and try.
Iran is a peaceful country and wants to have good relations with everyone.
So, say yes to iran’s call of peace. Ok?
is that all ? YES,
As you and the world sees itself,deafly, mutly in sightless purity and innocence:
this is useless in case of iran.
you cannot combine saddam with iran.
if you don’t believe then go ahead and try.
Iran is a peaceful country and wants to have good relations with everyone.
So, say yes to iran’s call of peace. Ok?
is that all ? YES,
As you and the world sees itself,deafly, mutly in sightless purity and innocence:
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 21 2008, 12:53 AM)
YES,
As you and the world sees itself,deafly, mutly in sightless purity and innocence
As you and the world sees itself,deafly, mutly in sightless purity and innocence
purity cannot be sightless.
the same with innocence.
innocence speaks itself,
purity speaks itself.
they speak in a language that is understandle even to those, who cant understand their words.
this is a kind of communication, that you cannot describe but can easily understand.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 21 2008, 12:53 AM)
Some say, barbarism is a universal human attribute rationalized by the uninvolved to make it disagreeably obvious. I would agree to the extent that in barbarism civilizations apathetic masquerade, but in mouth and mindless rationality, ignores the thinness that lies in evolution from fanaticism to barbarism.
Everyone, especially the masquerading socially conscious, those willingly apathetic uninvolved civil beings, which howl at every barbarous injustice, real or imagined, as they sip wine and lattes in wordy indignation madly revolting against “far away” injustices.
Yet, nay, nary a step to face it, at any cost, rationalizing somehow in some way, it is far too barbarous to stand disagreeable, in act and deed, against daily barbaric human behaviors, from the parlors of apathy, excepted by mouth and mindless courses, rationally tacked, in the verbs of me-ism. -Trader
Everyone, especially the masquerading socially conscious, those willingly apathetic uninvolved civil beings, which howl at every barbarous injustice, real or imagined, as they sip wine and lattes in wordy indignation madly revolting against “far away” injustices.
Yet, nay, nary a step to face it, at any cost, rationalizing somehow in some way, it is far too barbarous to stand disagreeable, in act and deed, against daily barbaric human behaviors, from the parlors of apathy, excepted by mouth and mindless courses, rationally tacked, in the verbs of me-ism. -Trader
barbarism is unacceptable in any way.
barbarism is not acceptable even for a second.
barbarism should never be allowed as ally even for a little deal.
barbarism should never be avoided even if there is a huge business involved.
noble people should always distance themselves from barbarism.
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 21 2008, 07:46 PM)
purity cannot be sightless.
the same with innocence.
innocence speaks itself,
purity speaks itself.
You speak in 6th century absolutes as if there are no variable or difference in these things as usual.
Sure it can, purity, is a subjective view, thus in the eyes of the beholder as much as it is in mesureable other ways. Innocence is similar, to one who may not be innocent, they can easily see themselves in some justification or rationalization as such, while willing wanting to see other as not innocent, often, like all, or the vast majority who are guilty, they claim innocence, when they are not, like you do in those you defend.
they speak in a language that is understandle even to those, who cant understand their words.
The world is not a vision of your narrow minded navity of pure absolutes and nothing else, no variance, no differences, no miscalculations, no misjudgment,s no ignorance, no misinformation, just these pillars of melting salt of absolutes, which melt away in the rain over time into the real world of reality.
this is a kind of communication, that you cannot describe but can easily understand.
No it is kind of a description of a very undertandable unwavering belief in absolutes, made as if they were the stone pillars of communications
instead of melted salt knub of pillare they are.
the same with innocence.
innocence speaks itself,
purity speaks itself.
You speak in 6th century absolutes as if there are no variable or difference in these things as usual.
Sure it can, purity, is a subjective view, thus in the eyes of the beholder as much as it is in mesureable other ways. Innocence is similar, to one who may not be innocent, they can easily see themselves in some justification or rationalization as such, while willing wanting to see other as not innocent, often, like all, or the vast majority who are guilty, they claim innocence, when they are not, like you do in those you defend.
they speak in a language that is understandle even to those, who cant understand their words.
The world is not a vision of your narrow minded navity of pure absolutes and nothing else, no variance, no differences, no miscalculations, no misjudgment,s no ignorance, no misinformation, just these pillars of melting salt of absolutes, which melt away in the rain over time into the real world of reality.
this is a kind of communication, that you cannot describe but can easily understand.
No it is kind of a description of a very undertandable unwavering belief in absolutes, made as if they were the stone pillars of communications
instead of melted salt knub of pillare they are.
Что все !!
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 21 2008, 07:54 PM)
barbarism is unacceptable in any way.
barbarism is not acceptable even for a second.
barbarism should never be allowed as ally even for a little deal.
barbarism should never be avoided even if there is a huge business involved.
noble people should always distance themselves from barbarism.
Indeed, perhaps it time the people of pakistain, Iran and rest who harbor this barbarism within their societies to hit the road to ending those that do it in their name before it ends them all in anothers name.
The four horsemen are riding my friend, their course more direct than ever, their mission's outcome certain.
barbarism is not acceptable even for a second.
barbarism should never be allowed as ally even for a little deal.
barbarism should never be avoided even if there is a huge business involved.
noble people should always distance themselves from barbarism.
Indeed, perhaps it time the people of pakistain, Iran and rest who harbor this barbarism within their societies to hit the road to ending those that do it in their name before it ends them all in anothers name.
The four horsemen are riding my friend, their course more direct than ever, their mission's outcome certain.
Что все !!
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 23 2008, 10:04 AM)
You speak in 6th century absolutes as if there are no variable or difference in these things as usual.
Sure it can, purity, is a subjective view, thus in the eyes of the beholder as much as it is in mesureable other ways. Innocence is similar, to one who may not be innocent, they can easily see themselves in some justification or rationalization as such, while willing wanting to see other as not innocent, often, like all, or the vast majority who are guilty, they claim innocence, when they are not, like you do in those you defend.
Sure it can, purity, is a subjective view, thus in the eyes of the beholder as much as it is in mesureable other ways. Innocence is similar, to one who may not be innocent, they can easily see themselves in some justification or rationalization as such, while willing wanting to see other as not innocent, often, like all, or the vast majority who are guilty, they claim innocence, when they are not, like you do in those you defend.
green is green whether you measure it from any principle of justice.
what do you mean by "other ways" ???
if, wrong can be right from any direction, then what is the purpose of uno ???
people usually agree with right, no matter whether they live in east or west. the view about purity, innocence, justice and truth is same among all people of the world. no majority can claim a wrong as right. this is simply impossible.
so, your perception of making arguments is completely against the commonsense of the people of the world.
i will not request you to change it, but atleast you should look into the matter more realistically. ok?
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 23 2008, 10:04 AM)
The world is not a vision of your narrow minded navity of pure absolutes and nothing else, no variance, no differences, no miscalculations, no misjudgment,s no ignorance, no misinformation, just these pillars of melting salt of absolutes, which melt away in the rain over time into the real world of reality.
i pray to God for a little rain of wisdom on your big head.
if, you call some one as "narrow mind" it does not mean that this is the decision of the court.
your view is as respectful as millions of various views.
of course, i trust that that when you make a view, you are all justified.
but, it does not mean that your view is hundred percent justified. in that case, i will produce my arguments and i hope that that you will judge my arguments on the barriars of justice.
thats all i can do.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 23 2008, 10:04 AM)
No it is kind of a description of a very undertandable unwavering belief in absolutes, made as if they were the stone pillars of communications
instead of melted salt knub of pillare they are.
instead of melted salt knub of pillare they are.
you cannot digest potato chips without salt, can you???
what you say is of course no acceptable on the basis of arguments, but your sincerity is beyond question.
i trust your sincerity, but i do not see it worthy to follow.
i will request you to think again.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 23 2008, 10:04 AM)
Что все !!
what is this??? russian??
i am sorry, i dont understand russian. however, i can feel purity.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 23 2008, 10:12 AM)
Indeed, perhaps it time the people of pakistain, Iran and rest who harbor this barbarism within their societies to hit the road to ending those that do it in their name before it ends them all in anothers name.
please do not mix up various into one pocket.
QUOTE (hussainmehdi @ Sep 26 2008, 02:08 AM)
green is green whether you measure it from any principle of justice.
I wish I could call this an oxymorn but it is not connected, it is not used as opposites nor can it be set up as contridictory, it is just unconneected illogic. a color has it is seen has nothing atoll to do with Justice.
Yet, a color, can be affected by the angle, light and many variants as to it true color being distorted. A colored blind man may not see green as green, nor will a blind man see green atoll if he never saw it in his life. As for justice well it is system with may variants and otcomes that result from those variants. Sorry the analogy did not work
what do you mean by "other ways" ???
Hmm, it would seem clear, say i say you are a pure person. I canot prove it, I can only perhaps believe it, thus it is like ones beliefs in say Christ or Mohammad, something that one can prove, yet by other means accept as proof in belief, thus purity is not Object and provable, does that help.
if, wrong can be right from any direction, then what is the purpose of uno ???
Exactly, right and or wrong can be proven mainly by direction from ones view as they see these concepts, in part and as a whole. Thus to one a right can be seen as a wrong by another, the difference being the direction of view and perspective one wishes to take. Right is to wrong as an answer to infinity.
In history most right and wrong has been proven by might, which does not answer right to wrong along the line of infinate possibilities, but instead, cuts its future options off along the line, with those who strike the blow of might, ending it as being being right, while they may be wrong or right. get it?
people usually agree with right, no matter whether they live in east or west. the view about purity, innocence, justice and truth is same among all people of the world. no majority can claim a wrong as right. this is simply impossible.
You obviously do not travel much and see how this is so not true, people looking at the same facts and data and circumstance more than often come to far different conclusion and want different outcomes as to what they see as right, purity, innoncence, justice and truth. My friend in humand reality there no absolutes in between bi
I wish I could call this an oxymorn but it is not connected, it is not used as opposites nor can it be set up as contridictory, it is just unconneected illogic. a color has it is seen has nothing atoll to do with Justice.
Yet, a color, can be affected by the angle, light and many variants as to it true color being distorted. A colored blind man may not see green as green, nor will a blind man see green atoll if he never saw it in his life. As for justice well it is system with may variants and otcomes that result from those variants. Sorry the analogy did not work
what do you mean by "other ways" ???
Hmm, it would seem clear, say i say you are a pure person. I canot prove it, I can only perhaps believe it, thus it is like ones beliefs in say Christ or Mohammad, something that one can prove, yet by other means accept as proof in belief, thus purity is not Object and provable, does that help.
if, wrong can be right from any direction, then what is the purpose of uno ???
Exactly, right and or wrong can be proven mainly by direction from ones view as they see these concepts, in part and as a whole. Thus to one a right can be seen as a wrong by another, the difference being the direction of view and perspective one wishes to take. Right is to wrong as an answer to infinity.
In history most right and wrong has been proven by might, which does not answer right to wrong along the line of infinate possibilities, but instead, cuts its future options off along the line, with those who strike the blow of might, ending it as being being right, while they may be wrong or right. get it?
people usually agree with right, no matter whether they live in east or west. the view about purity, innocence, justice and truth is same among all people of the world. no majority can claim a wrong as right. this is simply impossible.
You obviously do not travel much and see how this is so not true, people looking at the same facts and data and circumstance more than often come to far different conclusion and want different outcomes as to what they see as right, purity, innoncence, justice and truth. My friend in humand reality there no absolutes in between bi