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Grizzly
I saw this cartoon while I was at the American Thinker; I do not agree with it at all. It's been widely known that Sarah Palin has not been granting interviews. This is a grown adult woman running for a prestigous office--one right next to the most important one in this country, I may add.

When will you start talking to the press, Palin? Why can't you go out on your own? Maybe you can't be trusted to talk? Is McCain worried about more slips like your story about the sell of a jet that McCain even fell for? Or could it be that you need to be on a tight reign until this state trooper ordeal is quelled? Or perhaps it's all about earmarks?

During a campaign season, it would only be reasonable for you to be giving interviews. Why will you not talk to us? Oh well. Maybe we will here you talk at the debates--that is if John McCain doesn't need to walk out on the stage with you.

In my opinion, the cartoon should show the little fish chasing a barracuda! ("Alright, who wants a piece of me?" Why the press does, that's who. So talk!) rolleyes.gif

John L
After the way they went so hysterical, I would not be allowing them to be rewarded for bad bahaviour either.
Grizzly
Found this tidbit of commentary from Susan J. Demas on this very topic that I brought forth. I feel that she hits it right on the mark--especially seeing that she, as well as the GOP, and the McCain campaign feels that she has been wronged by the media.

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Sarah Palin learns to play the victim

The e-mails, comments and threats kept pouring in across the for my column, Palin: McCain's version of 'Trust me,' and I knew I'd struck a nerve. But then a couple readers told me how they'd heard about it: The column had been forwarded by Gov. Sarah Palin's people (allegedly) as part of their toddler tantrum on the mean ole media.

That might explain the curious number of people who have written to tell me that I have no right to express opinions in an opinion column.

I am deeply flattered. I would advise them read Anne Kornblut's analysis of what's fair game in elections. Good stuff, especially when you consider that the Hillary Clinton campaign dragged her personal reputation through the mud.

I am utterly sickened by the John McCain campaign's contempt for the American people. No one expressed it better than spokeswoman Nicolle Wallace who declared on MSNBC that the American public doesn't need Palin to answer questions. When Time editor Jay Carney, a friend of McCain's, politely expressed incredulity that Palin would dodge questions from the press, Wallace shrieked, "Who cares!? Who cares? But I mean, like, from who, from you? Who cares? No offense. Who cares if she can talk to Time magazine?"

Now I understand there will be folks shouting, "Good! Stick in the the media!" Yeah, we in the media can be arrogant jerks. Sometimes we don't tell you what you need to know, just all about John Edwards' possible love baby, if McCain looked good against a green screen and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright shouting a couple times. But few voters actually get to talk to Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John McCain or Sarah Palin in person. That's where the media come in. We can ask the questions you'll never be able to in your living room.

You should know what Sarah Palin thinks we should do about Iran's nuclear program. You should hear about her plan for the foreclosure crisis. You have a right to know what she thinks the solution is to turning around the auto industry.

She didn't talk about any of that (incredibly the latter) on Friday in Sterling Heights. Stump speeches are not enough to inform the public. That's why candidates need to answer questions from the press. And we, in turn, owe it to them and you to ask substantive questions.

But Palin was noticeably the only member of either presidential ticket to skip the Sunday talk shows today. This makes Palin look weak, despite her proclamations about being a "pit bull with lipstick." Pit bulls ain't afraid of the Eastern Elites in the media; they rip them to shreds. Just ask Ann Coulter. The left is gaining some traction with painting her as a chicken, which is something no candidate, especially a woman, wants.

McCain top aid Rick Davis sloughed this off, saying, "I'd never commit to anything in the future. ... Our strategy is in our hands, not the media's. We're going to do what's in our best interests to try to win the election. If we think going on TV news shows are [sic] in our best interests, we'll do it. If we don't, we won't."

Just remember the next time a politician tells you he's not talking to the press, it's not for your benefit. It's for his. So when McCain and Palin expect you to cheer that they're sticking it to the media, they're really asking you to celebrate that they're sticking it to you.

And here's a roundup of some intriguing stories on Palin in light of my posts this week:

The Politico's Roger Simon writes the best column on the role of the political press I have ever read. "It is not our job to ask questions. Or it shouldn't be. To hear from the pols at the Republican National Convention this week, our job is to endorse and support the decisions of the pols."

Conservative Detroit News columnist Nolan Finley apologizes for not drinking the Palin Kool-Aid.

Time's Joe Klein looks at McCain's slime the press strategy and if it will cause the media to be gentler on the Republican.

The Freep's Stephen Henderson ponders the new morality that teen pregnancy can be celebrated and asks how it would be viewed if Bristol Palin were black.

A McCain aide can't answer what Palin's foreign policy credentials are, leading Republicans to criticize CNN for biased reporting.

Gone are the days of the Straight Talk Express, when McCain is hostile to innocuous questions in a Time interview, such as asking him to define honor in political campaigns.

A Wasilla evangelical Christian mom disagrees with Palin's choices.

Hanna Rosin explores how the Religious Rights' views on morality have changed as their behavior hasn't met their ideals.

Jacob Weisberg points out how shotgun weddings equal sky-high divorce rates and looks at how the right's anti-abortion absolutism has meant more acceptance of teen pregnancy.


Yes, Susan, yes. You're right on the mark. Here you have had a lot of people raked over the coals--Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Christopher Dodd, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, (all of these people--especially during the primaries) that had to put with this process, but they still did the American public a service: they communicated with us in order to gain our respect. Now? Now? You have a person that is quite the wildcard pick for a VP job that is hiding in her underwater cave that the GOP media has designated "Barracuda"; she has even thought of herself as a "Bulldog with lipstick"! I would presume that this would be a better nickname for her; I mean she did do a lot of barking at the RNC, now didn't she. However, it's like my father has told me about dogs of any kind: "Son, there are dogs that bark and there are dogs that bite; the dogs that bite are the ones you have to worry about." You know what? I found out that he is right. It is unbelieveable just how many dogs will run up to you and bark, while you are walking, but if you walk towards them they run back to their homes. Maybe this is Mrs. Palin?

I do concur with Rick Davis, a top McCain aide, that the McCain campaign or Sarah Palin doesn't owe the media anything; they will do whatever they feel they need to do. However, it does look bad--especially on Sunday morning talk shows--to have everyone else being grilled and there is one candidate that stays home. But maybe this is a good strategy for them if she needs more time to...well, fit in to the Washington scene? 019.gif

I just wonder how long it will take her to fit in if she ever has to take over for John McCain. (Thinking: God forbid some major catastrophe happens and she takes the helm. Will it be a Whitehouse spokesperson saying: "Sorry, my fellow Americans, but the President doesn't like the way she is treated by the Media in the past. Besides that, she needs more time to be filled in than any other person. Please hold. Will be in touch!) unsure.gif
Thaiquila
She is being prepped right now by Benedict Oynald Joe Lieberman. It will be interesting to see what kind of cramming student she was at Bodunk University. We don't need another stupid uneducated president. How about a SMART one for a change?
ustrader


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If one fears tommorro, they feared yesterday and are fearful today. The key to change is to not be crucified by regret from the past and fear of the future. For fear,as read here especially, is but a supersitition, a sources of inward and outward cruelty that must be conquered in the wisdom of sounded reality, not the haranges of the fearful supersituous, afraid to grasp wisdom, and begin a new, unafraid of what they fear most.-Trader


That is all!
Grizzly
I agree with you, trader. I think the way Eleanor Roosevelt thinks: "You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You must do the thing which you think you cannot do."

Next week I look forward to seeing her on the Sunday Talk Shows. wink.gif

Grizzly
Wait! Hold the presses, folks!

Palin to give first television interview to national media

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CNN confirms that Palin will sit down with Charles Gibson of ABC News later this week; the exact date has yet to be announced.
Stay tuned! At least that is confirmed for now. rolleyes.gif
SoloNav
Pick, pick, pick. She is being picked to death over trivialities in the past week, as well as being lied about.

I can see why the majority of Americans think the media is out to hurt Palin. Grizz, you are faithful watercarrier for the liberal press that is trying their best to pull another Bork on this candidate. How long has it been since the RNC? A week? And, she's not parted the Red Sea yet? Shame on her.

Well, Mr. Obama has had PLENTY of time to NOT be silent, not just a week like Palin. Let's see what comes up concerning his silence.
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Obama has not availed himself of other opportunities to speak out against injustice. When his words have taken take a stand on behalf of human decency and not be empty platitudes, Obama chose silence. Take the case of the anti-Islamist Muslim journalist Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, who was imprisoned and tortured by Bangladeshi authorities when he requested a visa to attend a conference in Tel Aviv. Securing his release became a bi-partisan issue.

Yet, for all his moralizing on the subject, why is it that Obama is staying silent as members of his own party -- not to mention his own race -- in Tennessee use racial slurs to attack another member of his own party? And why is it that the national media has ignored this story? Perhaps its because the candidate being attacked, Tennessee Congressman Steve Cohen, is not black but is Jewish? And perhaps its because his attackers are members of Tennessee's black religious community?

Obama’s Silence On The Warmonger Remark

Now silence from Clinton, Obama about the Geffen label that produces rap songs that contain repertoire which includes such songs as "Can U Control Yo Hoe." The Geffen event raised $1.3 million for Obama. Obama's campaign also didn't return calls for comment. However, both Clinton and Obama were immediate in their very vocal criticism about Don Imus' use of the word, "ho."
Obama's 23 years of silence

Now, Obama is actively silencing critics, not just being silent himself: Obama Tries To Silence Critics regarding his relation to Ayers, terrorist who bombed the Pentagon. Barack Obama's campaign lawyer is trying to prevent the use of free speech and freedom of the press. For details of Obama's and Ayers relationship.

Obama silent on the fact that his Top Obama Bundler, Jodie Evans, Disrupts Palin Speech at RNC.

Barack Obama, the eloquent speaker (who plagerizes--Solo's note), who mesmerizes the media, the man whose orations make women swoon, the candidate who promises to embrace dictators and terrorists in conversation, falls strangely silent when his words are needed to stand up against evil, intolerance or injustice. ..We know that for over twenty years, Obama listened attentively to his pastor's diatribes against the United States and Israel and said nothing. Confronted with outright lies that the United States created the AIDS virus to destroy Africa and imports harmful drugs to destroy African Americans, Obama was silent. When the church website and newsletter carried the message of Hamas, labeled as a terrorist group by both the U.S. and the E.U., Obama maintained his silence.



Anyone interested in more of Obama's silences can google. I've grown tired of listing them all.

Sorry, Grizz. Your guy loses by a long shot on this issue. Perhaps, YOU would do well to be more silent?
Grizzly
QUOTE (SoloNav)
Obama has not availed himself of other opportunities to speak out against injustice. When his words have taken take a stand on behalf of human decency and not be empty platitudes, Obama chose silence. Take the case of the anti-Islamist Muslim journalist Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, who was imprisoned and tortured by Bangladeshi authorities when he requested a visa to attend a conference in Tel Aviv. Securing his release became a bi-partisan issue.
Yes. I'm sure that you Republicans would love him to speak more on this issue while protecting him, huh.
The Strange Case Of Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury (Thinking: I wonder why George Bush didn't do more, huh.) rolleyes.gif

QUOTE ("SoloNav")
Yet, for all his moralizing on the subject, why is it that Obama is staying silent as members of his own party -- not to mention his own race -- in Tennessee use racial slurs to attack another member of his own party? And why is it that the national media has ignored this story? Perhaps its because the candidate being attacked, Tennessee Congressman Steve Cohen, is not black but is Jewish? And perhaps its because his attackers are members of Tennessee's black religious community?
I don't know what you are talking about, Solo. Take note: Obama Denounces Tinker Ads

Some of those other links didn't work for me. But...

Bill Ayers: The Rest of the Story

QUOTE (SoloNav)
Obama silent on the fact that his Top Obama Bundler, Jodie Evans, Disrupts Palin Speech at RNC
And Solo get real. If you do not think that disruptors are not at the DNC, too, I have some ocean front property to sell you.

However, I do find it to be quite disturbing that you have no thoughts and opinions on everyone else that has stuck their necks out to get somewhere--Democrats as well as Republicans getting through the Primaries; everyone else that has ever had to run for a public office--that has communicated their ideas to the American public, but Palin has some sort of unexpected intrelude with voters.

Do you really think that she will keep her promise with Charles Gibson of ABC? And should Charles wear Barracuda repellent? Like I said: Stay tuned to this mysterious candidate that thinks her and McCain doesn't need to communicate with the American public. I know I'm excited. 020.gif
SoloNav
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Sep 7 2008, 04:36 PM) *
Yes. I'm sure that you Republicans would love him to speak more on this issue while protecting him, huh.
Clarify what and who you are talking about here. "Him" speak while protecting "him" ??
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The Strange Case Of Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury (Thinking: I wonder why George Bush didn't do more, huh.)
No red herring stuff, Grizz. The subject about Obama vs Palin (the current nominees), not Bush. No changing or deflecting the subject. If you want to bring up Bush, we could also mention the whole Congress as well, but that's not the subject.

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I don't know what you are talking about, Solo. Take note: Obama Denounces Tinker Ads

This wasn't the ad to which the post was about. Apparently, this Tinker has been running inflammatory and multiple ads against Cohen for some time. This was the ad in February 2008:
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Pastor's flier used to 'incite tensions'
Organization criticizes anti-Cohen missive

By Bartholomew Sullivan (Contact), Memphis Commercial Appeal
Tuesday, February 12, 2008

WASHINGTON -- The Anti-Defamation League on Monday condemned a flier circulating in Memphis that says U.S. Rep. "Steve Cohen and the Jews Hate Jesus," saying it "attempts to incite tension" between African-Americans and Jews....
Strange that Obama finally responded 6 mos later in August AFTER the article in February, and after at least two other inflammatory ads by this black pastor while denouncing racism in others, Republicans in general and Don Imus in particular. Not quite kosher. dry.gif

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Some of those other links didn't work for me. But...

Bill Ayers: The Rest of the Story
Sure. Sure. Did you even read the article??? He was Chairman of the Board of the agency that Ayers had founded, and Obama kicked off his first election in Ayers home. Sure there wasn't any connection. Sure. Of course, this the Daily Kos again. Wadda you expect? laugh.gif

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And Solo get real. If you do not think that disruptors are not at the DNC, too, I have some ocean front property to sell you.
Links please.

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However, I do find it to be quite disturbing that you have no thoughts and opinions on everyone else that has stuck their necks out to get somewhere--Democrats as well as Republicans getting through the Primaries; everyone else that has ever had to run for a public office--that has communicated their ideas to the American public, but Palin has some sort of unexpected intrelude with voters.
It's been a week, Grizz. And, Didn't she have an interview announced today according to you???? blink.gif ?

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Do you really think that she will keep her promise with Charles Gibson of ABC?
Not good at mindreading, Grizz. But, it took Obama longer than a week to respond to Fox News. Gimme a break!
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And should Charles wear Barracuda repellent? Like I said: Stay tuned to this mysterious candidate that thinks her and McCain doesn't need to communicate with the American public.
That's bullshyte and pure speculation on your part and creating negative motives to unknown events unless you've been reading their mail.

Let go of the mindreading, Grizz. You were sortuv off in space this a.m. in your first post, now weren't you? Don't be so eager. laugh.gif laugh.gif
ustrader
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Sep 8 2008, 04:32 AM) *
Wait! Hold the presses, folks!

Palin to give first television interview to national media

Stay tuned! At least that is confirmed for now. rolleyes.gif

laugh.gif Hmm?

Palin only took here 10 to 14 days to go on the Obama inflating media as 56% of polled Americans agree they are bias for Obama.

While courageless Obama nanny took 19 months to even dare show up on Fox.

Now, I ponder, who among the two, has the real courage to face the enemy on his own turf, and who does not? Obamafanny of course.

It would seem, as the photo above implies, the weaker and smaller, in the eyes of an hyper-fanatic media, my Kos-nostra, Mr Obama, appears, despite all his smoke and mirror media inflated undefeatable largeness, has been been the weaker and less courage of the two, in this context, hey comrade Koosty?

P.S. Sarah is going on ABC where allegedly an impartial News reporter, Former Clinton Press Secy, “quickly corrected" Obama in the below link, when Obama said “You are right, John McCain has not attacked MY MUSLIM FAITH,” George, the ABC Obama Reporter, quickly jumped in and corrected Obama, saying” you mean, your Christian faith, right?”

ABC covers for Obama's MY MUSLIM FAITH comment

And yet Small Town Bitter Sarah has more courage to face a known partisan than Obama nanny did and does, as a man, WHY, perhaps she unlike Obama has what it takes to lead down the hard and difficult roads, not follow the path of least resistance, as Obama does time and time again, when pressed?

Just Today he said "we may not be able to increase taxes during a Recession."

Duh, Repeating John McCain again. After admitting he was wrong about the Iraq surge, he is now admitting he has been wrong about the tax cuts offset by tax increases he has been promising 95% of ALL Americans.

What Next, will he be wrong about and promise unable to deliver? Is this leadership, or as it looks, lead-by-slick-williness?

Courage is not words, it is conviction held steady in the most perilous of times and circumstances, Obama has proven once again to have neither courage nor conviction, but only the ability to masquerade as Blue, in a blue environments, and red, in a red environments.



THAT IS ALL!!
LooseCannon
Letter Fron Anne Kilkenny - Wasilla, Alaska[size="5"][/size]



http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/ab...e-kilkenny/741/ popcorn.gif
SoloNav
QUOTE (LooseCannon @ Sep 8 2008, 12:39 PM) *
Letter Fron Anne Kilkenny - Wasilla, Alaska[size="5"][/size]



http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/ab...e-kilkenny/741/ popcorn.gif

Very mixed responses, including the below:


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Absolutely amazing piece which falls apart with little to no research:
1) Anne Kilkenny is a staunch Obama supporter and has a strong prejudice against the Republicans
2) Sarah Palin’s popularity as governor of Alaska is amazingly high - something which would not be true if any of the comments by Anne Kilkenny were actually accurate.

People need to research the truth to find it and not assume something. Perhaps that is the difference between someone who will vote for McCain (seek the truth) and someone who will vote for Obama (swallow whatever they are fed).

Enough said…

Jim | Sep 4, 2008 | Reply


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Yes, Wasilla population is ‘about’ 10,000. Did it double since 1996-2002 years that Palin served as Mayor? Was Kilkenny one of those who opposed Palin when she tried to oust the Librarian, and one of “her enemies” today?

I have read that Palin wanted her brother-in
-law, a State Trooper (enforcer of the law) fired because he threatened to kill a man, (a relative) and tasered an 11 year boy, his stepson!! You think that is the kind of man who should be a State Trooper?.......

Age? A lot of 72 yr. olds are being insulted. In other countries Presidents and Chancellors, Prime Ministers, and Kings in the Middle East were/are in their 80’s. Don’t discount someone who is 72 years old with a 96 year old living mother! He has here genes!
Victory

Victory | Sep 8, 2008 | Reply


I think it best to reserch this woman and situation before taking it at face value. Sounds like a opinion against opinion. BTW, what town doesn't have a tax on food????

And, I've also read that she fired the trooper after about 40 calls to her office to fire the trooper (her ex-brother-in-law).
Grizzly
QUOTE ("SoloNav")
Clarify what and who you are talking about here. "Him" speak while protecting "him" ??
I could have wrote it better--agreed. but you should have been able to figure out what I meant if you would have read the link.

QUOTE ("SoloNav")
This wasn't the ad to which the post was about. Apparently, this Tinker has been running inflammatory and multiple ads against Cohen for some time. This was the ad in February 2008:
I'll call him up and tell him to go spank her, but that wouldn't satisfy you. tongue.gif

QUOTE ("SoloNav")
Strange that Obama finally responded 6 mos later in August AFTER the article in February, and after at least two other inflammatory ads by this black pastor while denouncing racism in others, Republicans in general and Don Imus in particular. Not quite kosher.
Better late than ever, Solo. You republicans would cry if he wouldn't address this on day one--so what. I'm sure that a lot of Independents are waiting for whatever Sarah Palin has to say period, huh. Here you have a VP candidate being talked about in public, and she can't step out and adress those concerns herself?

QUOTE ("SoloNav")
Sure. Sure. Did you even read the article??? He was Chairman of the Board of the agency that Ayers had founded, and Obama kicked off his first election in Ayers home. Sure there wasn't any connection. Sure. Of course, this the Daily Kos again. Wadda you expect?
Did I read the article? Did you read the article? There were Republicans involved too! Besides...if you think that this is something to bring Obama down, why is it that the GOP isn't attacking him with this full force?

QUOTE ("SoloNav")
Links please.
I'll get those brochures out to you; it's beautiful ocean front property in Arizona. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE ("SoloNav")
Not good at mindreading, Grizz. But, it took Obama longer than a week to respond to Fox News. Gimme a break!
That's a good idea. I'm sure Fox News would go easier on her in an interview. She could go there. I'm sure that the ball game would be softball. laugh.gif

Grizzly
QUOTE ("ustrader")
While courageless Obama nanny took 19 months to even dare show up on Fox.
OK, trader. Lets place them in to comparison here, shall we? I can see your point about Fox News, OK? But here you have a CONSERVATIVE VP candidate, that hasn't appeared on any news cast whatsoever. As soon as Joe Biden was announced, Biden was taking questions from the press; out there shaking hands with the public (while on his own I may add!).

Now Sarah Palin? Here is a CONSERVATIVE VP candidate, and she can't even appear on Fox News?! Right leaning Fox News?! Don't you find that just a tad bit strange?! blink.gif


QUOTE ("ustrader")
ABC covers for Obama's MY MUSLIM FAITH comment
Oh, lets get real with this, OK? You Republicans have been so much on this poor guy's name, it's been worse than stink on manure. It's no telling why he hasn't accidentally spoke this more than once; it's probably on his mind everytime questions are asked about his name, so there is no wonder why he made that gaffaw.

But I'll tell you this...

How many verbal miscues has Sarah Palin made? Huh? Oh! That's right! She is still in the closet having people like Rick Davis come out of the house and making comments for her. It's like my father has told me: "Son, if you never do anything, you will never make a mistake." I think Sarah is pretty innocent of making mistakes so far. What do you think?

Here is what I think:

The GOP convention is done with all the revelry--proud, bulldog speeches with automatic applause; fancy lights flashing around; confetti falling. Honeymoon is over, folks!

John McCain is going to have to take that leash off of Sarah Bulldog/Barracuda Palin. With all of this stuff being thrown around out there people are going to want to know why it's taking her so long to defend herself. Why? We are waiting. popcorn.gif

UPDATE: She has made a gaffaw! And John McCain was there to hold her hand, too! Remarkable! Man, I can't wait to this election gets deeper! 006.gif Sarah Palin makes her First Gaffaw
Grizzly
Tonight I was thinking to myself as to what Sarah Palin will actually say to the public when she does come out of the closet.

There are many things that she could talk to us about--the war; the economy and housing debacle; health care; plus a host of many other things as well. I think that it would be almost impossible to guess which one important topic she would favor out of all topics that could be conceived.

However, while watching the Rachel Maddows Show, I found something that might very well answer at least part of my ponderings.

I found out that it's not what she is going to talking about but how she may very well talk about it. blink.gif

It seems that our Sarah Palin has more mental connections with the almighty than Pat Robertson does--apparently, knowing the will of the Lord on the war in Iraq or a pipeline.

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"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
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"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.
blink.gif


I also think that this Pastor Kalnins is a very outspoken individual too, don't you?

Here is his supposed view on the frame of Jesus's mind on Israel and terrorism:

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What you see in a terrorist -- that's called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You're worried about getting hurt? He's called us to die. Listen, you know we can't even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he's like the good shepherd, he's loving all the time and he's kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war.
Yeah. OKEY DOKEY. Got to get that Bible back out--apparently I missed something in that New Testament.

Especially the Book of Revelations, where the good pastor emphasised:

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"I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."


My question is this, I suppose. Do you think that Sarah will continue expressing her faith, like in this video when confronted by Charles Gibson, or her debates with Joe Biden?

I think that she will to some extent, but I do not think that it will be as powerful as her most recent presentation--and that was only three months ago. wink.gif

SoloNav
Haven't time to read your posts at length, so will have to later. I can see you've been hovering on this thread for a while waiting for a reply, so I'll have to explore it maybe tomorrow for a in depth reply

But for now: Guess you can quit whining about her not giving interviews. The way you were attacking her for NOT doing interviews (within the first 7 days), and now attacking her for what she said during the interview gives the name of "hypocrite" a new meaning. You need to make up your mind.........just what do you want from this woman? Interviews? Or, gist for your gossipy sites such as Huffington Post?

Don't cause me to lose respect for you, Grizz. At least admit you were wrong about her not giving interviews before you launch into what she said.

Is being a Christian "in the closet"? Then, I guess I'm in the closet as well as millions more. Must be a really big closet.
ustrader
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Sep 9 2008, 06:44 AM) *
OK, trader. Lets place them in to comparison here, shall we? I can see your point about Fox News, OK? But here you have a CONSERVATIVE VP candidate, that hasn't appeared on any news cast whatsoever. As soon as Joe Biden was announced, Biden was taking questions from the press; out there shaking hands with the public (while on his own I may add!).

Now Sarah Palin? Here is a CONSERVATIVE VP candidate, and she can't even appear on Fox News?! Right leaning Fox News?! Don't you find that just a tad bit strange?! blink.gif

In the spirit of, you and I, My friend, "getting real," I say no, it is not strange at all. First, you over look the factual point that even American's when polled said they recognize that "the media at large” has been attacking and unfair to Palin in the two to three weeks she has been in the spot light. Let us not even mention your Fox news attack dog alter reality MSNBC, HUFF & POST and KOSNOSTRA.

In getting real, we both know "this media, who, oddly recognizing it HAD A PRECEIVED BIAS PROBLEM FOR OBAMA with what the people actually saw and heard from them. They understood so well they needed to gather All three Major Networks anchors together and spend nearly an hour defending themselves as to how they treated Palin as a candidate and as a women, trying justify just how fair they were to her. Now if they were actually so fair, why in the world would the three major network competitors need to gather to defend their fairness hey comrade?

Likewise the Democrats attack dogs went to work in another making it real recognition that they were clearly surprised by Plain's selection, as, as has been reported, so was she. She has, at best, had three or four weeks to wrap her head around being in the position she is in as a Republican Female VP candidate.

Your false argument comparison using Biden is NOT keeping it real at all.

Biden, The Bloviate of Bloviates, until 3 months or so ago, was running for President and said [I]"Obama was not prepared to lead the country himself,"[/iIn truth Biden has never met a camera or microphone he did or does not seek out to embrace.

Also, Biden with 36 years In Congress, is a man you and the facts cannot deny has proven he has a bellicose nature. Which, I will show below. he has proven often he has a well deserved reputation for running toward any Camera or Microphone and talking, and talking to no end. Biden is even known to have pushed his way towards the microphone or cameras in group party announcements.

So to say Biden is courage for going on TV and or camera in comparison Palin, is like saying Democrats are really more honest and fair than Republicans historically speaking, the absurdity of which stands in its face. That is true andit is real.


Oh, lets get real with this, OK? You Republicans

I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN, never joined any party like any church, nor will I ever. Just getting real in you mistaken view of me as a person. In truth, I have voted far more down and up the line for Democrats, till the leftist took over.

have been so much on this poor guy's name, it's been worse than stink on manure.

First, you are off mark entirely, the point I made was about ABC being an Obama media forum. I did not write one word about Obama’s name nor did the ABC interview mention it in the context you twisted far from being real. You never read in my post any mention of Barrack Hussein Obama’s name anywhere.

Second, no one who opposes him, named him, as is his truly lawful name that is a fact in the spirit of getting real. Since you brought it up and not I, his “names” are, in the Islamic world, very common, in comparison to say persons here with three names, such as William Jefferson Clinton, or Billy Bob Smith and or Mary Sue Smith, to name but a few three part names. So blaming others as if they are evil in mentioning his given and lawful name is NOT real, it unreal in fear of his real and complete name I surmise.

Furthering our getting it real, no common voter who opposes him, created the environment that has our western world confronting radical Islam, where at a time he, Barrack Hussein Obama, has a Muslim name, and is running for President, at time we are at war with radical Muslims, now did they?

So that is a false arguement made in fear of what his name association might imply to some voters. It's real that it is his cross to bear, that he runs from like you fear in excuse of. But it is providence his name is what it is, to be played out ,as it will, as we fight the extremes of Islam every day.


In getting real, as polls have proven, few who oppose Obama, do so because he has a Muslim name or even believe he is Muslim, or even as many, including Obama himself, race bait, in racial mongering, oppose him, because of the color of his skin. Because, in fact, Obama is no more Black, than he is white, and that is real and factual and most people know that.

Of course, as on the left and right, there are fringe minorities who use both to vote against him or equally for him, as your side uses Conservative, Republican elit arrogance topwars small town bitter America clinging to their guns and religion, in fear of elite differences to vote against his opposition. But they are not large enough to cause him or his opposition to lose the election and we both know that is real too.


It's no telling why he hasn't accidentally spoke this more than once; it's probably on his mind everytime questions are asked about his name, so there is no wonder why he made that guffaw.

But I'll tell you this...

How many verbal miscues has Sarah Palin made? Huh? Oh! That's right! She is still in the closet having people like Rick Davis come out of the house and making comments for her. It's like my father has told me: "Son, if you never do anything, you will never make a mistake." I think Sarah is pretty innocent of making mistakes so far. What do you think?

Here is what I think:

The GOP convention is done with all the revelry--proud, bulldog speeches with automatic applause; fancy lights flashing around; confetti falling. Honeymoon is over, folks!

John McCain is going to have to take that leash off of Sarah Bulldog/Barracuda Palin. With all of this stuff being thrown around out there people are going to want to know why it's taking her so long to defend herself. Why? We are waiting. popcorn.gif

The above is a fair statement and the next 57 days will tell, the tell of providence for sure. It is as they say, game time, in the NFL ( Not (for) Fu**in Long) in big leagues of Presidential Politics. Obama inexperience as Sarah stands on it own merits before the people who will decide who is worthy of gamne ball and who is not.

But I say this, in keeping it real, if Obama does not win, it will be, in American History, one of the biggest defeats of an ideology ever. I fully expect the advantage is his, as it all stacks up for him, in devine worhip of the Kossheep, in reverence of the media, in piles and piles of money advantage, and historically in Democratic voters advantageing nearly 2 to 1 to his favor. If he loses the far left is dead for a long time and America returns to center as is it normallcy.

I add one major point you missed entirely, I was not making a commentary about Obama's name nor his gaffe, if you re-read what I said about Obama's gaffe. I never thought he was or is a Muslim, and I understand a gaffe when I hear one.

It was HOW his media friends, that Palin is to face, raced, as panic lap dogs, to his rescue and corrected him, instead of letting his words matter and mean what he said when he said them.

The Point is and was Palin has every right to take a few weeks to face a media she knows is pro Obama and to get prepared to face the grueling task that Obama has been at for 23 months and Biden for 36 years, and that is as real as you can get.


P.S. Biden the 36 years palter Bloviate:

Oh, That Joe! (No. 10 in a Series) -- The Verbose Blue Hen Riffs on Iraq

September 07, 2008 8:25 PM

On a flight to Kalispell, Mont., Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., was asked by a reporter, "Do you still believe in a tripartite solution to Iraq?"

His answer lasted 13 minutes, 20 seconds.


Before we reprint it, in full, it's only fair to ponder how long Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's answer to such a question would be.
Mr. Biden's response:

"The Bush administration's policy in the beginning -- and John's -- continues to be a strong, central government, democracy, that will gain the confidence of all the Iraqi people that would be a democratic institution that would make the dominoes of the oligarchies fall in the Middle East. That was success, that's what they talked about. Now what's happened? Where there's relative peace, where is it? It's up in the Kurdish area. Where? Where they don't allow Shia troops to come up. Where they don't allow the Iraqi army to come up without their permission. There is now relative calm in Anbar. Why? They did exactly what I proposed two years ago. They turned over authority and trained homegrown local Sh-- Sunnis. And said, 'we promise you, those Shia aren't coming and patrolling your streets.' That's called the awakening. That's what got all of the sheikhs to come together and say OK. I predicted if you ask the sheikhs to have their sons join the army or join the police force, the security forces, and you told them they'd protect their own area, they'd join in droves. The first day Petraeus wisely made that offer, 1,000 Sunnis showed up for the police force. Virtually none showed up before. So, what's happening? Where's it working? It's working from the ground up. Exactly what I've proposed is happening. We're about to have regional elections. What are the regional elections? The Iraqi constitution says in article 114, 15, 16, it says that any of these areas can conclude that they want to be, not a governate, there's 18 of these things, but they can be essentially a state, like the state of California or the state of Massachusetts. They can write their own constitution. They can have their own laws relative what you teach your kids in school, like California versus Alabama. They can have their own laws, their own security force, their own cops, not a national police force sent out. That's why it's working. And the second reason why it's working is that, so far is, what else did they do? They did exactly what I've been calling for for two years. It's the mix of forces. You may remember, if you had to cover this, my saying it's the wrong mix of forces in Iraq. We need counterinsurgency forces. And what did they do? They brought them back from Afghanistan, unfortunately, instead of adding them. And what happened? The counterinsurgency forces are now the forces that, today and yesterday, the military says are having the most success. So, folks, they may not want to call it what I was talking about. But the end result is, there is a lot of autonomy in the Anbar province today. There is a lot of autonomy up in the Kurdish area today. And there is increasing autonomy in the Shia regions. But I've always proposed a central government. A central government that has a standing army, controls the currency, controls the banking system, controls the borders, controls the foreign policy. And so, you know, John says he wants to have every shred of Iranian influence eliminated from Iraq. And he supports Maliki. You notice, every time Ahmadinejad comes to Baghdad, Maliki kisses him on both cheeks. Literally, not figuratively. You notice, before agreed to begin to negotiate the Status of Forces Agreement, what did, what did Maliki think he had to do? He had to get on a plane to go to Tehran and talk about it with the Iranians. 'Cause look, folks. It's a geographic fact of life, they've got a long border and a 5,000-year history. So, it's about time we get real here and take a look at the possibilities now, if they continue along these lines, of something good happening. And the possibilities rest in two things. One, there's a genuine political accommodation. And so, you're going to have, as I said, elections in the provinces. Supposedly -- and by the way they're supposed to take place next month. I've been predicting they're not likely to take place next month. But maybe they will. If they will, do you think the people down in Basra are going to vote for a government in Basra any different than an all-Shia government in Basra? what do you think? Want to take any bets anyone? So, come on. It's time that we had people who understand, understand what's going on in Iraq, not just sloganeering. Not just sloganeering. And the irony is, the guy who supposedly has the least experience among us, Barack Obama, got it right 14, 15 months ago. He said, 'Look, let's transfer -- let's be as responsible getting out as irresponsibly we were getting in.' And then he said, 'We need a timeline here. And you're going to go ahead and hand off authority gradually to Iraqis, and what are you going to do? You're going to pull out American combat forces.' Where, if reports are correct, and my information is based on the State Department and others, what is Maliki demanding, and what is Bush agreeing to? A timeline to draw down American combat troops. A gradual hand-off of police authority and military authority to the Iraqis. Who's the only guy, major figure in America who's standing outside that agreement? John McCain. John. And the other point I made today, and it's an important point, since you poor devils have to cover me, you should be aware of it in my view: John, I've never heard John utter a word about what he's going to do, after, after -- quote he establishes victory in Iraq? What's he going to do about Syria? Turkey? Iran? Saudi Arabia? What's he going to do to have some reason to believe whatever is worked out, that Iraqi's neighbors are going to sign on to it? And tell me, how is it possible to have a long-term stable, stable Iraq, free and open without some regional understanding of Iraq's independence? Barack and I, and I have laid this out in painful detail for two years, as Barack has. That's why we've called for a regional conference. That's why we talked about the need to bring the permanent five of the United Nations in to give the imprimatur to this. To make it clear to Iran, Syria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia -- hands off. Hands off. Whatever deal the Iraqis work out, you've got to stand by. You need the weight of the world putting pressure on the region a little like we did in Bosnia. A little like what happened in Kosovo. Could that have happened if the Germans didn't buy into the deal? If the Greeks didn't buy into the deal? If the Italians didn't buy into the deal? If the Hungarians didn't buy into the deal? So, what I -- what confuses me, and it does confuse me about John McCain and Sarah Palin's position on Iraq is, tell me the end of the story, John. Victory sounds wonderful. We're all for victory. What do you mean by victory? And so, I just say, there's, you know, you can call -- and by the way, you recall when I put forward that plan, I said there's a half a dozen ways you can implement this plan. I don't have any -- It wasn't three areas, it doesn't have to be five, it can be two, it can be seven. But there's got to be a way where we finally, if you have peace -- 'Hey, I'm a Shia. I'm not going to kill your Sunni family. And you don't have to worry the Kurds are going to come and get you, because the Kurds are basically with you.' Everybody has to get to the point where they conclude there's more in it for them staying together than there is in it them going separately."

-- by Jake Tapper and Matt Jaffe

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...at-joe-n-5.html

That is all!!

John L
McCain and Palin now have a 15 point lead, according to Gallup Polling.



Democratic strategist Kirstin Powers, hit the nail on the head here.

QUOTE
Like Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, Palin has been deemed one of the GOP's rising stars. Since it's national reporters job to cover American politics, their ignorance of about her is distressing.

Most Americans think that the media are cheerleading for Obama, so they'll punish him for the reporters' and editors' sins.

So now he is weighted down with more baggage as he works to convince an important voting bloc that he and his party don't hold them in contempt.


The Jackasses are now 15 points behind, and it is all their own fault, all due to Kookville, courtesy of the Daily Kaos, Democratic Underground, Huffing&Puffington Post, and others. Thank you TQ and Grizz. tongue.gif

AND NOTE: this poll is with "registered" voters, not "Likely" voters, which are more accurate AND favorable to S&Gs. This means that the lead could be even more. Boy, let a Jackass be a Jackass, and what do you get? A HUGE Jackass Cluster Foxtrot! wink.gif
Grizzly
QUOTE ("ustrader")
In the spirit of, you and I, My friend, "getting real," I say no, it is not strange at all. First, you over look the factual point that even American's when polled said they recognize that "the media at large” has been attacking and unfair to Palin in the two to three weeks she has been in the spot light. Let us not even mention your Fox news attack dog alter reality MSNBC, HUFF & POST and KOSNOSTRA.

In getting real, we both know "this media, who, oddly recognizing it HAD A PRECEIVED BIAS PROBLEM FOR OBAMA with what the people actually saw and heard from them. They understood so well they needed to gather All three Major Networks anchors together and spend nearly an hour defending themselves as to how they treated Palin as a candidate and as a women, trying justify just how fair they were to her. Now if they were actually so fair, why in the world would the three major network competitors need to gather to defend their fairness hey comrade?
Likewise the Democrats attack dogs went to work in another making it real recognition that they were clearly surprised by Plain's selection, as, as has been reported, so was she. She has, at best, had three or four weeks to wrap her head around being in the position she is in as a Republican Female VP candidate.

Your false argument comparison using Biden is NOT keeping it real at all.

Biden, The Bloviate of Bloviates, until 3 months or so ago, was running for President and said "Obama was not prepared to lead the country himself,"In truth Biden has never met a camera or microphone he did or does not seek out to embrace.

Also, Biden with 36 years In Congress, is a man you and the facts cannot deny has proven he has a bellicose nature. Which, I will show below. he has proven often he has a well deserved reputation for running toward any Camera or Microphone and talking, and talking to no end. Biden is even known to have pushed his way towards the microphone or cameras in group party announcements.

So to say Biden is courage for going on TV and or camera in comparison Palin, is like saying Democrats are really more honest and fair than Republicans historically speaking, the absurdity of which stands in its face. That is true andit is real.
Media Bias?! Media Bias?! Well I guess that some things bother people some of the times, while at other times they don't.

I didn't see you complaining about the way the press took off with those 'Swift Boat Veteran' ads--constantly, the press would hound John Kerry over that, but that's a liberal media for you, huh. rolleyes.gif

And for those flashbacks of the primaries? Tell me something: Do you still agree with George Bush Sr's. perspective of Ronald Reagan's voodoo economics? huh.gif

QUOTE ("ustrader")
First, you are off mark entirely, the point I made was about ABC being an Obama media forum. I did not write one word about Obama’s name nor did the ABC interview mention it in the context you twisted far from being real. You never read in my post any mention of Barrack Hussein Obama’s name anywhere.

Second, no one who opposes him, named him, as is his truly lawful name that is a fact in the spirit of getting real. Since you brought it up and not I, his “names” are, in the Islamic world, very common, in comparison to say persons here with three names, such as William Jefferson Clinton, or Billy Bob Smith and or Mary Sue Smith, to name but a few three part names. So blaming others as if they are evil in mentioning his given and lawful name is NOT real, it unreal in fear of his real and complete name I surmise.

Furthering our getting it real, no common voter who opposes him, created the environment that has our western world confronting radical Islam, where at a time he, Barrack Hussein Obama, has a Muslim name, and is running for President, at time we are at war with radical Muslims, now did they?

So that is a false arguement made in fear of what his name association might imply to some voters. It's real that it is his cross to bear, that he runs from like you fear in excuse of. But it is providence his name is what it is, to be played out ,as it will, as we fight the extremes of Islam every day.


In getting real, as polls have proven, few who oppose Obama, do so because he has a Muslim name or even believe he is Muslim, or even as many, including Obama himself, race bait, in racial mongering, oppose him, because of the color of his skin. Because, in fact, Obama is no more Black, than he is white, and that is real and factual and most people know that.

Of course, as on the left and right, there are fringe minorities who use both to vote against him or equally for him, as your side uses Conservative, Republican elit arrogance topwars small town bitter America clinging to their guns and religion, in fear of elite differences to vote against his opposition. But they are not large enough to cause him or his opposition to lose the election and we both know that is real too.
...said the man that introduced the youtube video. You know well and good that McCain's campaign and the GOP has been using strong implications of Obama's name with the muslim faith. Obama was telling that reporter that when he made a Freudian slip (Lets face it; he always has to fight that stupid malarkey anyhow), so I can see how that can happen.

QUOTE ("ustrader")
His answer lasted 13 minutes, 20 seconds.
Don't worry. I do not think that Sarah could accomplish that even if she was to be forced to read it. wink.gif
Grizzly
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 8 2008, 10:41 PM) *
Haven't time to read your posts at length, so will have to later. I can see you've been hovering on this thread for a while waiting for a reply, so I'll have to explore it maybe tomorrow for a in depth reply

But for now: Guess you can quit whining about her not giving interviews. The way you were attacking her for NOT doing interviews (within the first 7 days), and now attacking her for what she said during the interview gives the name of "hypocrite" a new meaning. You need to make up your mind.........just what do you want from this woman? Interviews? Or, gist for your gossipy sites such as Huffington Post?

Don't cause me to lose respect for you, Grizz. At least admit you were wrong about her not giving interviews before you launch into what she said.

Is being a Christian "in the closet"? Then, I guess I'm in the closet as well as millions more. Must be a really big closet.
Solo: giving interviews and standing up in front of a crowd--with John McCain, I may add--are two different things.
Tokis-phoenix
QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 7 2008, 11:14 PM) *
Pick, pick, pick. She is being picked to death over trivialities in the past week, as well as being lied about.

I can see why the majority of Americans think the media is out to hurt Palin.



Oh boo-hoo. You talk as if she's a helpless victim and the only one who is getting picked on. Face the reality- this happens to all candidates for presidency and it doesn't stop even after (if) they become president. Do you really want someone who can't handle this treatment/pressure to run for president? This is what happens and it should happen. If she's clever and strong enough then she'll pull through.


QUOTE (SoloNav @ Sep 9 2008, 03:41 AM) *
But for now: Guess you can quit whining about her not giving interviews. The way you were attacking her for NOT doing interviews (within the first 7 days), and now attacking her for what she said during the interview gives the name of "hypocrite" a new meaning. You need to make up your mind.........just what do you want from this woman? Interviews? Or, gist for your gossipy sites such as Huffington Post?



Um actually he's not a hypocrite by what you say (i haven't read the entire thread yet so i'm only going on what you actually say). He attacked her for not doing interviews and then when she did do an interview he attacked her for what she said in that interview- this is not hypocritical, it would only be hypocritical if he attacked her for not doing interviews and then attacked her purely for doing one. Attacking what someone says, and attacking the fact that they're saying something, are two completely different things.
"Hypocrite" doesn't have a new meaning, the old definition is fine and i think you need to look it up.
SoloNav
Tokis, your manner does not deserve a reply other than silence. I was going to welcome you back when I saw your name, but forget that. Your manner has only gotten worse. Visiting us to take a dump?

But, the members of BearPit appreciate your posts as they do help this forum continue to grow. See, your opinion is worth......... something.

BTW, Grizz and I are friends from long ago. You've interfered into a friendly, but heated, discussion of politics. Our history goes way back.
TheAvenger
Oh and wasn't Oprah the one who refused to have an interview with her? No one wants to have an interview with her because she is the barracuda so hush silly boy, that's why no interviews are happening yet.
Grizzly
Yep. Apparently I was right--Palin is taking the easy way out: No questions, please; Palin sticks to her script

I don't know. Perhaps this is the best way for a person that does not have political savvy to use--stay out of the limelight. (I hope that she sincerely stops this method and participates in more than just that interview with just Gibson. There are others that would like the opportunity to ask her questions, too. If she hates the MSM, fine. But why punish the voters? Doesn't every candidate get grilled when the voting year sets in? How else can voters get to know her--ESP?)
The polls? Yeah, I seen them too. I sincerely hope that Mr. McCain and Mrs. Palin enjoy their little roller coaster ride, because sooner or later the riders raise their hands and scream while going down--and the screams will not be one of joy for those political players; they will be screams of a poorly laid political plan for garnering votes. I seriously believe that they are not going to continue with this strategy. If Charles Gibson does not play softball with Palin, than I'm curious to see if the gentleman will play an actual game of hardball or not--perhaps he will get out a plastic bat and ball; I most certainly hope not.

If he is any sort of journalist, he will ask questions such as these:

What about that "Bridge to Nowhere"?

Will she stay clear of endorsing religions?

Will she allow the state to interfere with your rights--banning books?

How does she think that trooper probe will turn out?

And what about those travel expenses?

Why did she explain a tale about the sale of a jet and Ebay like she did?
Grizzly
QUOTE ("Tokis-phoenix"=)
Oh boo-hoo. You talk as if she's a helpless victim and the only one who is getting picked on. Face the reality- this happens to all candidates for presidency and it doesn't stop even after (if) they become president. Do you really want someone who can't handle this treatment/pressure to run for president? This is what happens and it should happen. If she's clever and strong enough then she'll pull through.
I totally agree, TK. You worded that perfectly. This is all part of the process. All candidates put up with this. I feel that it's unfair for to be shy of this process. When this interview with Charles Gibson happens there should be more viewers than normal. Why? Because her coyness to appear and talk to voters emboldened the fascination of her even more. I know I'll be watching. dry.gif
TheAvenger
Hardball...like asking Obama tough questions? Such as where his daddy is? How many brothers and sisters he has? Why him being a ###### is fine but Palins grand child is "evil"?
John L
Poor Grizz, all those links, and the truth could be discerned by traveling to Newsweek, of all places. It totally blows away all the manure that the Kook Left sites he frequents, have to offer.

Sorry Grizz, but you are whistling Dixie........................................... tongue.gif
Grizzly
Apparently the McCain camp will not adhere to Ann and Nancy Wilson's demands to quit playing the song "Barracuda" at rallies. Perhaps they feel that this is owed to them? I wonder what Sarah thinks about this? dry.gif



Wilson sisters slam GOP's use of Heart's "Barracuda"
John L
QUOTE (Grizzly @ Sep 9 2008, 11:17 PM) *
Apparently the McCain camp will not adhere to Ann and Nancy Wilson's demands to quit playing the song "Barracuda" at rallies. Perhaps they feel that this is owed to them? I wonder what Sarah thinks about this? dry.gif



Wilson sisters slam GOP's use of Heart's "Barracuda"


If they are paying royalties to the parent company, there is nothing that can be said. Rush uses Patty Smyth's "My City Was Gone".

If this is the best you can do, Katie bar the door. tongue.gif

Oh, I know you are going to read this too, so don't pretend. wink.gif
Grizzly
QUOTE (John L @ Sep 9 2008, 11:20 PM) *
If they are paying royalties to the parent company, there is nothing that can be said. Rush uses Patty Smyth's "My City Was Gone".

If this is the best you can do, Katie bar the door. tongue.gif

Oh, I know you are going to read this too, so don't pretend. wink.gif
If? If?
And I see that you still do not read links. wink.gif

QUOTE
The Wilsons said their representatives, Universal Music Publishing and Sony BMG, have sent a cease-and-desist notice to the McCain-Palin campaign to not use the song as the congratulatory theme for Palin.
Sounds like more than just the Wilson sisters are pissed off here, huh? rolleyes.gif

And don't you think that Sarah should step in and give more of her input to your Newsweek-butter-it-up article? Full Factcheck.org article rolleyes.gif
ustrader

ME FIRST!



Media Bias?! Media Bias?! Well I guess that some things bother people some of the times, while at other times they don't.

my friend, if it were just I who said that, of course you might have a point but when;

In a Rasmussen poll published Sept. 4, 51 percent of respondents said that reporters are trying to damage Mrs. Palin's reputation with their news coverage. Twenty-four 24 percent said that negative stories about Mrs. Palin made them more likely to vote for John McCain in November.

In a July poll 57% Obama has received the best media support . Additionally, 49 percent think reporters will try to help Obama win the presidential campaign, while 14 percent think reporters will help McCain.

More respondents identified as moderates saw media bias as a bigger problem than campaign cash, though with a narrower margin of 49 percent to 42 percent.

New SurveyUSA poll, this limited to, BLUE STATE, Washington State registered voters, folks believe the press is pressing for the Democrat candidate.
When asked "Is the media rooting for Barack Obama? Rooting for John McCain? Or trying its best to be fair to both?" 52% said "for Obama," 8% said "for McCain," 35% said "being fair to both." Interesting: 28% of Democrats, 28% of liberals, and 42% of moderates chose "for Obama."

In June, the former anchor and managing editor of NBC Nightly News Tom Brokaw chastised the press for insisting that Hillary Clinton exit from the Democratic primary.

At a panel in Denver, sponsored by the Joan Shorenstein Center on Press, Politics, and Public Policy, Mr. Brokaw said that MSNBC hosts Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann demonstrated bias in their election reporting: "I think Keith has gone too far. I think Chris has gone too far."

Now guess what, these Obama hacks got demoted by NBC and hopefully soon will be sent to the minor leagues Dudly KosNostra where they belong. That is keeping it real my friend.

There was also outrage among McCain supports and independents when the New York Times published a July 14 op-ed on Iraq written by Mr. Obama but disqualified Mr. McCain's op-ed for failing to meet its standards. The public was not amused.

Opray will bring Obama on twice to “introduce him to her 70% white female audience, make many Campaign appearance with Obama and his not proud wife, but, in stammers of not being “political” will NOT bring on Palin to introduce her to her 70% white Female Audience. I wonder why?

As part of the mass Public media, Movie Stars, TV entertainment Hosts, googles of Musicians and all forms of entertainment and media TV types use every form available to them to hawk Obama often saying vile and insulting things about any of his opponents, starting with Hillary and Bill Clinton, and now moving to McCain and Plain after doing the media bias shut dp knock down Chicago style hack jobs they intended.

The View lets Michele Obama dictate what they can and cannot talk about, but have no restriction on McCain’s wife nor were ask to any.
Who lost? The media. The way they pounced on Palin pitted her against the media, a favorite Republican punching bag, producing an audience of 37 million for her speech. The fawning coverage of Barack Obama’s selection of Joe Biden as his running mate provided such a huge contrast with the coverage of Palin that, just as in the primaries, the media looked one-sided or worse — craven. And the cable television pundits expressed such obvious bias on both sides that they lost much of their legitimacy as fair commentators.

So my friend you can well grasp that is EXACTLY why ALL THREE network anchors devoted 1 hour to defending their coverage and why Ober-nanny and Tingle legs Matthews were demoted.



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13302.html
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=O...DFjMzM3NmQwOGU=
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/sep/10/...-bias-backlash/


I didn't see you complaining about the way the press took off with those 'Swift Boat Veteran' ads--constantly, the press would hound John Kerry over that, but that's a liberal media for you, huh.

Well you are right about that in only one respect. No one stood up against the swift boaters because their stories were true and no one like you who has not served his country first right or wrong would ever understand how despicably cruel and unjust Vietnam veterans were treated by self serving ideologues like Kerry and the angry and often violent left of the time.

What you are not right about and why the swift boaters were so effective is, as time passed, the American people, even those who treated we Vietnam Veterans like evil scum, Kerry leading the lying wolf packs of Veteran meat eaters, have come to realize that was inhumanly wrong.

I dare say, in fact, on a deep psychological level, we Americans today are actively seeking to show the opposite of Kerry Elitists Left’s hate and eat our own vision of the American fighting man and woman, by seeking quite overtly to treat them with the respect and honor they deserve just because of how people, like Kerry and his lefty hate mongers who lied, distorted, and acted so vilely dishonorably in ways towards our sacrifice and courage in doing what was right for our Country, First, no matter if our country was deemed by some to be wrong or right.

You will never get that because you are a “Me First-er Country last-er.”


And for those flashbacks of the primaries? Tell me something: Do you still agree with George Bush Sr's. perspective of Ronald Reagan's voodoo economics?

Junior Kos-trustee, Supply side has its positives and negative but tax more and spend more is all negative somewhere inbetween is likely just about right as usual in life.

I do believe in free market capitalism. Think Unions belong in Russian and France where they were bred to distrupt and make all inefficient. I believe we, as good neighbors, should have security blankets for our weakest, and give a helping hand with the express goal of making people self sufficient, not program slaves of big Government perpetual spending programs. I do NOT accept the concept that we are obligated to give people a free lunch without their being made to make an effort to earn it, if able, in these smorgasbords of endless reparations and vote mongering with money and programs congress deals out in endless money pit spending schemes that often do not work.

I do believe in Congresses being forced, by law, each year to balance their Budgets to the penny. I do not believe in having 36 year tenured Senators nor Congressmen either. I say 8 years and out for all.


...said the man that introduced the youtube video. You know well and good that McCain's campaign and the GOP has been using strong implications of Obama's name with the muslim faith. Obama was telling that reporter that when he made a Freudian slip (Lets face it; he always has to fight that stupid malarkey anyhow), so I can see how that can happen.

I think good sir you argue a point to often and too much, as had you read my comment. you would have recognized I concede the points that Obama is not a Muslin, and that it was a mere gaffe anyone can make, and most do make. It will not be his last, nor will any of McCain’s or Palan’s be their last.

Clarification on Obama's ABC "MY Muslin faith Gaffe

The now removed Alaskan Democratic gussing praise of Palin's Gas Pipeline Win

That is all!!

Russell Brand calls George Bush a 'retard' at MTV awards

As they say a picture conveys a thousand words, no doubt who the retard is really, hey.



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Don't worry. I do not think that Sarah could accomplish that even if she was to be forced to read it.

My good sir, if you take pride in a man who takes 13 minutes to answer a question most humans would answer in 20 seconds or less in one or two paragraphs, you are worst off than you can imagine.

It is not how many words you can say that solves problems and shows leadership.

Expert Foriegn relations Biden wordly ramblings were merely saying words that defended his provably wrong position on dividing Iraq into three parts, as Biden did here, and often does, and I surmise will do, even more.


I have a question for you. ”A pig with lipstick is still just a pig,” is that masculine or feminine in or by its nature, meaning and intent?
Grizzly
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my friend, if it were just I who said that, of course you might have a point but when;

In a Rasmussen poll published Sept. 4, 51 percent of respondents said that reporters are trying to damage Mrs. Palin's reputation with their news coverage. Twenty-four 24 percent said that negative stories about Mrs. Palin made them more likely to vote for John McCain in November.

In a July poll 57% Obama has received the best media support . Additionally, 49 percent think reporters will try to help Obama win the presidential campaign, while 14 percent think reporters will help McCain.

More respondents identified as moderates saw media bias as a bigger problem than campaign cash, though with a narrower margin of 49 percent to 42 percent.

New SurveyUSA poll, this limited to, BLUE STATE, Washington State registered voters, folks believe the press is pressing for the Democrat candidate.
When asked "Is the media rooting for Barack Obama? Rooting for John McCain? Or trying its best to be fair to both?" 52% said "for Obama," 8% said "for McCain," 35% said "being fair to both." Interesting: 28% of Democrats, 28% of liberals, and 42% of moderates chose "for Obama."

In June, the former anchor and managing editor of NBC Nightly News Tom Brokaw chastised the press for insisting that Hillary Clinton exit from the Democratic primary.

At a panel in Denver, sponsored by the Joan Shorenstein Center on Press, Politics, and Public Policy, Mr. Brokaw said that MSNBC hosts Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann demonstrated bias in their election reporting: "I think Keith has gone too far. I think Chris has gone too far."

Now guess what, these Obama hacks got demoted by NBC and hopefully soon will be sent to the minor leagues Dudly KosNostra where they belong. That is keeping it real my friend.

There was also outrage among McCain supports and independents when the New York Times published a July 14 op-ed on Iraq written by Mr. Obama but disqualified Mr. McCain's op-ed for failing to meet its standards. The public was not amused.



Opray will bring Obama on twice to “introduce him to her 70% white female audience, make many Campaign appearance with Obama and his not proud wife, but, in stammers of not being “political” will NOT bring on Palin to introduce her to her 70% white Female Audience. I wonder why?

As part of the mass Public media, Movie Stars, TV entertainment Hosts, googles of Musicians and all forms of entertainment and media TV types use every form available to them to hawk Obama often saying vile and insulting things about any of his opponents, starting with Hillary and Bill Clinton, and now moving to McCain and Plain after doing the media bias shut dp knock down Chicago style hack jobs they intended.

The View lets Michele Obama dictate what they can and cannot talk about, but have no restriction on McCain’s wife nor were ask to any.
Who lost? The media. The way they pounced on Palin pitted her against the media, a favorite Republican punching bag, producing an audience of 37 million for her speech. The fawning coverage of Barack Obama’s selection of Joe Biden as his running mate provided such a huge contrast with the coverage of Palin that, just as in the primaries, the media looked one-sided or worse — craven. And the cable television pundits expressed such obvious bias on both sides that they lost much of their legitimacy as fair commentators.

So my friend you can well grasp that is EXACTLY why ALL THREE network anchors devoted 1 hour to defending their coverage and why Ober-nanny and Tingle legs Matthews were demoted.
I'll start out by asking you a poll question, trader. "Have you quit beating on your wife?" Answers that are available to you: 1.) Yes. 2.)No. 3.) Undecided.

Kind of get my drift here?

Media. All sorts of elements come to mind when that word is spoken nowadays -- newspapers, TV, radio, magazines; and, yes, the Internet (blogs -- especially blogs). Kind of makes me wonder why those organizations that conducted those polls didn't ask those that were participating who they were voting for for their new President. So thanks for those links; they were very encouraging. wink.gif


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Well you are right about that in only one respect. No one stood up against the swift boaters because their stories were true...


No they were not. Republican-funded Group Attacks Kerry's War Record
August 6, 2004
Updated: August 22, 2004
Record


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Junior Kos-trustee, Supply side has its positives and negative but tax more and spend more is all negative somewhere inbetween is likely just about right as usual in life.

I do believe in free market capitalism. Think Unions belong in Russian and France where they were bred to distrupt and make all inefficient. I believe we, as good neighbors, should have security blankets for our weakest, and give a helping hand with the express goal of making people self sufficient, not program slaves of big Government perpetual spending programs. I do NOT accept the concept that we are obligated to give people a free lunch without their being made to make an effort to earn it, if able, in these smorgasbords of endless reparations and vote mongering with money and programs congress deals out in endless money pit spending schemes that often do not work.

I do believe in Congresses being forced, by law, each year to balance their Budgets to the penny. I do not believe in having 36 year tenured Senators nor Congressmen either. I say 8 years and out for all.
You didn't understand what I was referring to, did you? Bush Sr. used that statement as rebuttal points against Reagan, when he was running against him.

As for Russel Brand calling Bush a retard, I think that he was a little too rough on retards. wink.gif cool.gif

I hold more respect for a person that answers questions, under the circumstances that both of them are -- Vice Presidential hopefuls -- than I do for someone that has a spokesperson, like Rick Davis, come out to answer questions for another. popcorn.gif
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