"The outgoing commander of US troops in Iraq, Gen David Petraeus, has said that he will never declare victory there.
In a BBC interview, Gen Petraeus said that recent security gains were "not irreversible" and that the US still faced a "long struggle".
When asked if US troops could withdraw from Iraqi cities by the middle of next year, he said that would be "doable".
In his next job leading the US Central Command, Gen Petraeus will also oversee operations in Afghanistan.
He said "the trends in Afghanistan have not gone in the right direction... and that had to be addressed".
Afghanistan remained a "hugely important endeavour", he said.";
Full story;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7610405.stm?lsm
Seems like to me its all the more reason why to support Obama's idea of withdrawal from Iraq. Especially considering these quotes;
"When asked if US troops could withdraw from Iraqi cities by the middle of next year, he said that would be "doable"."
He said al-Qaeda's efforts to portray its jihad in Iraq as going well were "disingenuous". It was, in fact "going poorly", he said.
"He said it was now fair to say that the Iraqis were standing up as US forces stood down. The confidence and capability of Iraqi forces had increased substantially, he said."
etc.
Iraq is a massive strain on America's budget as well as its forces- considering the country [Iraq] is stabilizing itself well and its own soldiers are becoming more and more capable of looking after the country themselves, i think people should seriously consider withdrawing troops from Iraq in the next year or two and deploying them elsewhere in much more critical countries like Afghanistan where they are much more needed.
edit: Other stuff that backs up this argument;
"US President George W Bush said on Wednesday that most of the international forces in Iraq were preparing to pull out as the US begins to withdraw some of its own units".;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7609593.stm
And;
"But he said that there needed to be a balance between force and negotiation, and that war - as pursued by America in Iraq and Afghanistan - was not an effective strategy against terrorism.
"Muslims see this strategy as destructively attacking Muslims, as attacking Islam... This is not the solution," he said.
"The use of war against the militants in the Middle East doesn't stop the terrorists and radicals.";
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7610192.stm
etc.
There are many good reasons why pulling out US troops from Iraq may prove to be a very positive/productive thing.
Full Version: No victory in Iraq says Petraeus
US troops' Iraq fatigue;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7610237.stm?lsm
(US troops talk to Newsnight's Andrew North about their feelings on the mission in Iraq and how the effort is hurting the US economy and reputation.)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7610237.stm?lsm
(US troops talk to Newsnight's Andrew North about their feelings on the mission in Iraq and how the effort is hurting the US economy and reputation.)
The short of stature and substance always pick their fruit from the lowest branches of the bush or tree cause it easy, hey Tokky?
His latter comment, you would obvious like to not show, shows his reality grasp that it is a long war of ideologies every where it is being fought, when he says “"This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade... it's not war with a simple slogan."
HIS MOST INSIGHTFUL AND REVEALING COMMENTS MILITARILY AND STRATEGICALLY as usual glossed in at the end by BBC editors, WERE THE FOLLOWING:
He said al-Qaeda's efforts to portray its jihad in Iraq as going well were "disingenuous". It was, in fact "going poorly", he said.
He said it was now fair to say that the Iraqis were standing up as US forces stood down. The confidence and capability of Iraqi forces had increased substantially, he said.
Gen Petraeus did not confirm reports in the media that the US was preparing to withdraw all troops from Baghdad by next summer, but he did say that consideration was being given to removing US forces from a number of cities, including the capital.
Obviously, you have no grasp of what he is saying militarily for obvious reason of unaware inexperience and personal bias, thus the need of Translation for those with ADS. If you read his words, they are in the present tense, NOT future tense, as you pray and parse in bias they should mean.
Thus as the entire article articulates, he is saying he would NOT say TODAY, not mentioning in any way tomorrow, there is a Victory in Iraq, otherwise, his recommendation before taking over responsibility for both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, would be to bring on a faster draw down of troops from Iraq if we do not need them.
Perhaps the pig with lipstick next guy will bring them all home. We did that in 1991 and had to go back, so, but what the hey, why not leave it to say your children’s generation to go back for a third or fourth time again, hey?
As he stated clearly the Iraqis are and will be moving to do all the fighting, we are moving away from the lead in the fighting to a backup, because, now put down your Doom pad Tokky for a second and stay with me here, [I]the Iraqis are almost but not quite ready to handle protecting the country and its people. Thus as implied overtly “we, Americans and will begin going in fortified garrisoning of our troops in defensive posturing, only to backup the Iraqis when they jam get jammed up, just exactly like the Brits did in Phases in the South before and as all of the few remaining other coalition troops have done.
Thus, Tokky, the extremely low US and collation death tolls these last 4 months and the perceptive decline in them these last 9 months has brought as the general said hope foreard to an end that may soon be in site, just not know. Factually our deaths in Iraq for the last few months, have been in majority caused by accidents and illness outnumbering our combat related deaths and now that we have changed contact strategy that is likely to continue as the Iraqi show they can stand we can indeed draw down as quick as they stand up.
What that means in ADS terms is no more street patrolling, no more being neighborhood bulls eyes, no regular city patrolling, so our inside the Iraqi army and Government friends, can tell the bad guys where to plant the IED’s. Instead it will now require our enemies both, allied and otherwise, to come to us to attack us, or attack Iraqis first, but reuire the attacks to be effective enough so they cannot handle it, to get us involved A whole new combat role fro Americans beginning as some say as earlier as Novemebr when ALL US troops pull out of Bagdad proper.
I am sure you are disappointed my ADS friend, but that is GOOD news, NOT bad news. Sorry to disappoint the friends.
As to Andrew North of BBCII's usual tripe foray, as if a major journalistic accomplishment, in finding 4 Us soldiers unhappy with the being in a war, and wanting to go home, I will list below a series of similar Andrew North tonal and message in similar pandering views, nay, the exact purpose and intent as this, journalistic expose’ in genre of Vietnam Journalism, reincarnated in “ what are we fighting for, serif,” as he mimics the same limerick panders of commentary and overused video he and his groups have used for now on to three years as has our MSNBC moonbats, we hear all the time.
Likewise, Your Andy link dishonestly makes it appear as these vidos where made today instead of over two years ago. The soldiers units identified have not been in Iraq since late 2006. Just for an honest record of facts, if that is okay with Andy and you Tokky.
If one reads little Andy’s, tells from beyond ,when he was last in Iraq in mid to late 2007, they would find, the film maker whose video he uses in his September 2008 article as if made today, was last in Iraq in early 2006, at the high water marker of the Shia and Al que’ade insurgent bombings, he has not been back since as that would not serve his purpose would it. Thus these soldiers in the video are not in Iraq today they have just been used for propoganda since they were filmed in 2006, oddly factauly mentioned after hard fighting and at their weakest emotional point, deliberate selected as such for that very purpose.
These here Andy boy theme songs take a central theme in all of them , it is the same pint, regurgitated to drink again, to make the same point of view that you linked us to;
Thursday, 11 September 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7610237.stm?lsm
Video: Inside the surge, part one
________________________________________
The Guardian's award-winning photographer and filmmaker Sean Smith spent two months in 2006 embedded with US troops in Baghdad and Anbar province. His harrowing documentary exposes the exhaustion and disillusionment of the soldiers.
His photo video began showing up all over the Anti-War and America nut roots in Jan or Feb 2007 an have been so recycled they are like a French women’s arms pits, fine until they raise their arms in surrender, then my god, is she, a guy, flashes into your mind the first time. After that, you grasp why the proper postioning in the Karma Sutra is so important.
Spc. Lake 4th Platoon Apache Company Strykers
Spc. Vassell 2nd Platoon Apache Company Strykers
They where In Iraq in 2006, this footage has been so over used, it is as worn out as all those Limey former SAS guys, wink, in Bangkok’s whore houses.
Friday, 16 June 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5088460.stm
Monday, 9 October 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6032909.stm
Monday, 4 December 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6205968.stm
Tuesday, 19 December 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6192815.stm
Tuesday, 23 January 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6287997.stm
Wednesday, 7 February 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6336195.stm
Monday, 19 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6465847.stm
Wednesday, 21 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6477949.stm
Saturday, 19 May 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6669773.stm
Tuesday, 18 September 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7000259.stm
Friday, 21 December 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7153990.stm
Tue 22nd July,2008 http://www.lecturelist.org/content/view_lecture/5555
Clarity is a beautiful thing, yet when one, like Andy boy here try’s making Clartyi from the ambiguity of muddy waters, the blur of view, must not be so obvious in its out of focused intent, hey Tokky lass?
That is all!!
P.S. I noticed the personalinsults on your looks, and though it is not my place, I apologize for that, it was, IMHO, uncalled for and unnecessary to flame you.
You already help in that with that sort of thing anyways.
:rolleyes:Tthe apology was sincere though.
His latter comment, you would obvious like to not show, shows his reality grasp that it is a long war of ideologies every where it is being fought, when he says “"This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade... it's not war with a simple slogan."
HIS MOST INSIGHTFUL AND REVEALING COMMENTS MILITARILY AND STRATEGICALLY as usual glossed in at the end by BBC editors, WERE THE FOLLOWING:
He said al-Qaeda's efforts to portray its jihad in Iraq as going well were "disingenuous". It was, in fact "going poorly", he said.
He said it was now fair to say that the Iraqis were standing up as US forces stood down. The confidence and capability of Iraqi forces had increased substantially, he said.
Gen Petraeus did not confirm reports in the media that the US was preparing to withdraw all troops from Baghdad by next summer, but he did say that consideration was being given to removing US forces from a number of cities, including the capital.
Obviously, you have no grasp of what he is saying militarily for obvious reason of unaware inexperience and personal bias, thus the need of Translation for those with ADS. If you read his words, they are in the present tense, NOT future tense, as you pray and parse in bias they should mean.
Thus as the entire article articulates, he is saying he would NOT say TODAY, not mentioning in any way tomorrow, there is a Victory in Iraq, otherwise, his recommendation before taking over responsibility for both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, would be to bring on a faster draw down of troops from Iraq if we do not need them.
Perhaps the pig with lipstick next guy will bring them all home. We did that in 1991 and had to go back, so, but what the hey, why not leave it to say your children’s generation to go back for a third or fourth time again, hey?
As he stated clearly the Iraqis are and will be moving to do all the fighting, we are moving away from the lead in the fighting to a backup, because, now put down your Doom pad Tokky for a second and stay with me here, [I]the Iraqis are almost but not quite ready to handle protecting the country and its people. Thus as implied overtly “we, Americans and will begin going in fortified garrisoning of our troops in defensive posturing, only to backup the Iraqis when they jam get jammed up, just exactly like the Brits did in Phases in the South before and as all of the few remaining other coalition troops have done.
Thus, Tokky, the extremely low US and collation death tolls these last 4 months and the perceptive decline in them these last 9 months has brought as the general said hope foreard to an end that may soon be in site, just not know. Factually our deaths in Iraq for the last few months, have been in majority caused by accidents and illness outnumbering our combat related deaths and now that we have changed contact strategy that is likely to continue as the Iraqi show they can stand we can indeed draw down as quick as they stand up.
What that means in ADS terms is no more street patrolling, no more being neighborhood bulls eyes, no regular city patrolling, so our inside the Iraqi army and Government friends, can tell the bad guys where to plant the IED’s. Instead it will now require our enemies both, allied and otherwise, to come to us to attack us, or attack Iraqis first, but reuire the attacks to be effective enough so they cannot handle it, to get us involved A whole new combat role fro Americans beginning as some say as earlier as Novemebr when ALL US troops pull out of Bagdad proper.
I am sure you are disappointed my ADS friend, but that is GOOD news, NOT bad news. Sorry to disappoint the friends.
As to Andrew North of BBCII's usual tripe foray, as if a major journalistic accomplishment, in finding 4 Us soldiers unhappy with the being in a war, and wanting to go home, I will list below a series of similar Andrew North tonal and message in similar pandering views, nay, the exact purpose and intent as this, journalistic expose’ in genre of Vietnam Journalism, reincarnated in “ what are we fighting for, serif,” as he mimics the same limerick panders of commentary and overused video he and his groups have used for now on to three years as has our MSNBC moonbats, we hear all the time.
Likewise, Your Andy link dishonestly makes it appear as these vidos where made today instead of over two years ago. The soldiers units identified have not been in Iraq since late 2006. Just for an honest record of facts, if that is okay with Andy and you Tokky.
If one reads little Andy’s, tells from beyond ,when he was last in Iraq in mid to late 2007, they would find, the film maker whose video he uses in his September 2008 article as if made today, was last in Iraq in early 2006, at the high water marker of the Shia and Al que’ade insurgent bombings, he has not been back since as that would not serve his purpose would it. Thus these soldiers in the video are not in Iraq today they have just been used for propoganda since they were filmed in 2006, oddly factauly mentioned after hard fighting and at their weakest emotional point, deliberate selected as such for that very purpose.
These here Andy boy theme songs take a central theme in all of them , it is the same pint, regurgitated to drink again, to make the same point of view that you linked us to;
Thursday, 11 September 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7610237.stm?lsm
Video: Inside the surge, part one
________________________________________
The Guardian's award-winning photographer and filmmaker Sean Smith spent two months in 2006 embedded with US troops in Baghdad and Anbar province. His harrowing documentary exposes the exhaustion and disillusionment of the soldiers.
His photo video began showing up all over the Anti-War and America nut roots in Jan or Feb 2007 an have been so recycled they are like a French women’s arms pits, fine until they raise their arms in surrender, then my god, is she, a guy, flashes into your mind the first time. After that, you grasp why the proper postioning in the Karma Sutra is so important.
Spc. Lake 4th Platoon Apache Company Strykers
Spc. Vassell 2nd Platoon Apache Company Strykers
They where In Iraq in 2006, this footage has been so over used, it is as worn out as all those Limey former SAS guys, wink, in Bangkok’s whore houses.
Friday, 16 June 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5088460.stm
Monday, 9 October 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6032909.stm
Monday, 4 December 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6205968.stm
Tuesday, 19 December 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6192815.stm
Tuesday, 23 January 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6287997.stm
Wednesday, 7 February 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6336195.stm
Monday, 19 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6465847.stm
Wednesday, 21 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6477949.stm
Saturday, 19 May 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6669773.stm
Tuesday, 18 September 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7000259.stm
Friday, 21 December 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7153990.stm
Tue 22nd July,2008 http://www.lecturelist.org/content/view_lecture/5555
Clarity is a beautiful thing, yet when one, like Andy boy here try’s making Clartyi from the ambiguity of muddy waters, the blur of view, must not be so obvious in its out of focused intent, hey Tokky lass?
That is all!!
P.S. I noticed the personalinsults on your looks, and though it is not my place, I apologize for that, it was, IMHO, uncalled for and unnecessary to flame you.
You already help in that with that sort of thing anyways.
:rolleyes:Tthe apology was sincere though.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 12 2008, 07:09 AM) 
The short of stature and substance always pick their fruit from the lowest branches of the bush or tree cause it easy, hey Tokky?
His latter comment, you would obvious like to not show, shows his reality grasp that it is a long war of ideologies every where it is being fought, when he says “"This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade... it's not war with a simple slogan."
HIS MOST INSIGHTFUL AND REVEALING COMMENTS MILITARILY AND STRATEGICALLY as usual glossed in at the end by BBC editors, WERE THE FOLLOWING:
He said al-Qaeda's efforts to portray its jihad in Iraq as going well were "disingenuous". It was, in fact "going poorly", he said.
He said it was now fair to say that the Iraqis were standing up as US forces stood down. The confidence and capability of Iraqi forces had increased substantially, he said.
Gen Petraeus did not confirm reports in the media that the US was preparing to withdraw all troops from Baghdad by next summer, but he did say that consideration was being given to removing US forces from a number of cities, including the capital.
Obviously, you have no grasp of what he is saying militarily for obvious reason of unaware inexperience and personal bias, thus the need of Translation for those with ADS. If you read his words, they are in the present tense, NOT future tense, as you pray and parse in bias they should mean.
Thus as the entire article articulates, he is saying he would NOT say TODAY, not mentioning in any way tomorrow, there is a Victory in Iraq, otherwise, his recommendation before taking over responsibility for both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, would be to bring on a faster draw down of troops from Iraq if we do not need them.
His latter comment, you would obvious like to not show, shows his reality grasp that it is a long war of ideologies every where it is being fought, when he says “"This is not the sort of struggle where you take a hill, plant the flag and go home to a victory parade... it's not war with a simple slogan."
HIS MOST INSIGHTFUL AND REVEALING COMMENTS MILITARILY AND STRATEGICALLY as usual glossed in at the end by BBC editors, WERE THE FOLLOWING:
He said al-Qaeda's efforts to portray its jihad in Iraq as going well were "disingenuous". It was, in fact "going poorly", he said.
He said it was now fair to say that the Iraqis were standing up as US forces stood down. The confidence and capability of Iraqi forces had increased substantially, he said.
Gen Petraeus did not confirm reports in the media that the US was preparing to withdraw all troops from Baghdad by next summer, but he did say that consideration was being given to removing US forces from a number of cities, including the capital.
Obviously, you have no grasp of what he is saying militarily for obvious reason of unaware inexperience and personal bias, thus the need of Translation for those with ADS. If you read his words, they are in the present tense, NOT future tense, as you pray and parse in bias they should mean.
Thus as the entire article articulates, he is saying he would NOT say TODAY, not mentioning in any way tomorrow, there is a Victory in Iraq, otherwise, his recommendation before taking over responsibility for both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, would be to bring on a faster draw down of troops from Iraq if we do not need them.
Of course he is talking in present tense on the situation and he is talking from his great experience and knowledge of the situation- however he is also addressing the future in the questions he is being asked (like "When asked if US troops could withdraw from Iraqi cities by the middle of next year, he said that would be "doable"" etc). However i haven't at any point in this thread said that withdrawing troops from Iraq right now would be a good idea, i said "i think people should seriously consider withdrawing troops from Iraq in the next year or two and deploying them elsewhere in much more critical countries like Afghanistan where they are much more needed". I don't really get what you're getting at here (its very early in the morning over here) other than that?
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 12 2008, 07:09 AM)
Perhaps the pig with lipstick next guy will bring them all home. We did that in 1991 and had to go back, so, but what the hey, why not leave it to say your children’s generation to go back for a third or fourth time again, hey?
The situation/circumstances back then are completely different to the current situation/circumstances we face in Iraq today so i don't see why there would be more wars in Iraq if we withdrew our troops from it at some point in the relatively near future (as long as progress as it is currently running continues). (I don't plan on having children either btw)
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 12 2008, 07:09 AM)
As he stated clearly the Iraqis are and will be moving to do all the fighting, we are moving away from the lead in the fighting to a backup, because, now put down your Doom pad Tokky for a second and stay with me here, [I]the Iraqis are almost but not quite ready to handle protecting the country and its people. Thus as implied overtly “we, Americans and will begin going in fortified garrisoning of our troops in defensive posturing, only to backup the Iraqis when they jam get jammed up, just exactly like the Brits did in Phases in the South before and as all of the few remaining other coalition troops have done.
I don't deny that the Americans have stabilized the situation and the Iraqis are now taking over the lead.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 12 2008, 07:09 AM)
Thus, Tokky, the extremely low US and collation death tolls these last 4 months and the perceptive decline in them these last 9 months has brought as the general said hope foreard to an end that may soon be in site, just not know. Factually our deaths in Iraq for the last few months, have been in majority caused by accidents and illness outnumbering our combat related deaths and now that we have changed contact strategy that is likely to continue as the Iraqi show they can stand we can indeed draw down as quick as they stand up.
What that means in ADS terms is no more street patrolling, no more being neighborhood bulls eyes, no regular city patrolling, so our inside the Iraqi army and Government friends, can tell the bad guys where to plant the IED’s. Instead it will now require our enemies both, allied and otherwise, to come to us to attack us, or attack Iraqis first, but reuire the attacks to be effective enough so they cannot handle it, to get us involved A whole new combat role fro Americans beginning as some say as earlier as Novemebr when ALL US troops pull out of Bagdad proper.
What that means in ADS terms is no more street patrolling, no more being neighborhood bulls eyes, no regular city patrolling, so our inside the Iraqi army and Government friends, can tell the bad guys where to plant the IED’s. Instead it will now require our enemies both, allied and otherwise, to come to us to attack us, or attack Iraqis first, but reuire the attacks to be effective enough so they cannot handle it, to get us involved A whole new combat role fro Americans beginning as some say as earlier as Novemebr when ALL US troops pull out of Bagdad proper.
What do ADS and IED's stand for/mean? Are you saying that you don't trust the Iraqi's to ever be able to protect and run their own country or something...?
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 12 2008, 07:09 AM)
I am sure you are disappointed my ADS friend, but that is GOOD news, NOT bad news. Sorry to disappoint the friends.
As to Andrew North of BBCII's usual tripe foray, as if a major journalistic accomplishment, in finding 4 Us soldiers unhappy with the being in a war, and wanting to go home, I will list below a series of similar Andrew North tonal and message in similar pandering views, nay, the exact purpose and intent as this, journalistic expose’ in genre of Vietnam Journalism, reincarnated in “ what are we fighting for, serif,” as he mimics the same limerick panders of commentary and overused video he and his groups have used for now on to three years as has our MSNBC moonbats, we hear all the time.
Likewise, Your Andy link dishonestly makes it appear as these vidos where made today instead of over two years ago. The soldiers units identified have not been in Iraq since late 2006. Just for an honest record of facts, if that is okay with Andy and you Tokky.
If one reads little Andy’s, tells from beyond ,when he was last in Iraq in mid to late 2007, they would find, the film maker whose video he uses in his September 2008 article as if made today, was last in Iraq in early 2006, at the high water marker of the Shia and Al que’ade insurgent bombings, he has not been back since as that would not serve his purpose would it. Thus these soldiers in the video are not in Iraq today they have just been used for propoganda since they were filmed in 2006, oddly factauly mentioned after hard fighting and at their weakest emotional point, deliberate selected as such for that very purpose.
These here Andy boy theme songs take a central theme in all of them , it is the same pint, regurgitated to drink again, to make the same point of view that you linked us to;
Thursday, 11 September 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7610237.stm?lsm
Video: Inside the surge, part one
________________________________________
The Guardian's award-winning photographer and filmmaker Sean Smith spent two months in 2006 embedded with US troops in Baghdad and Anbar province. His harrowing documentary exposes the exhaustion and disillusionment of the soldiers.
His photo video began showing up all over the Anti-War and America nut roots in Jan or Feb 2007 an have been so recycled they are like a French women’s arms pits, fine until they raise their arms in surrender, then my god, is she, a guy, flashes into your mind the first time. After that, you grasp why the proper postioning in the Karma Sutra is so important.
Spc. Lake 4th Platoon Apache Company Strykers
Spc. Vassell 2nd Platoon Apache Company Strykers
They where In Iraq in 2006, this footage has been so over used, it is as worn out as all those Limey former SAS guys, wink, in Bangkok’s whore houses.
Friday, 16 June 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5088460.stm
Monday, 9 October 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6032909.stm
Monday, 4 December 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6205968.stm
Tuesday, 19 December 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6192815.stm
Tuesday, 23 January 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6287997.stm
Wednesday, 7 February 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6336195.stm
Monday, 19 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6465847.stm
Wednesday, 21 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6477949.stm
Saturday, 19 May 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6669773.stm
Tuesday, 18 September 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7000259.stm
Friday, 21 December 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7153990.stm
Tue 22nd July,2008 http://www.lecturelist.org/content/view_lecture/5555
Clarity is a beautiful thing, yet when one, like Andy boy here try’s making Clartyi from the ambiguity of muddy waters, the blur of view, must not be so obvious in its out of focused intent, hey Tokky lass?
That is all!!
As to Andrew North of BBCII's usual tripe foray, as if a major journalistic accomplishment, in finding 4 Us soldiers unhappy with the being in a war, and wanting to go home, I will list below a series of similar Andrew North tonal and message in similar pandering views, nay, the exact purpose and intent as this, journalistic expose’ in genre of Vietnam Journalism, reincarnated in “ what are we fighting for, serif,” as he mimics the same limerick panders of commentary and overused video he and his groups have used for now on to three years as has our MSNBC moonbats, we hear all the time.
Likewise, Your Andy link dishonestly makes it appear as these vidos where made today instead of over two years ago. The soldiers units identified have not been in Iraq since late 2006. Just for an honest record of facts, if that is okay with Andy and you Tokky.
If one reads little Andy’s, tells from beyond ,when he was last in Iraq in mid to late 2007, they would find, the film maker whose video he uses in his September 2008 article as if made today, was last in Iraq in early 2006, at the high water marker of the Shia and Al que’ade insurgent bombings, he has not been back since as that would not serve his purpose would it. Thus these soldiers in the video are not in Iraq today they have just been used for propoganda since they were filmed in 2006, oddly factauly mentioned after hard fighting and at their weakest emotional point, deliberate selected as such for that very purpose.
These here Andy boy theme songs take a central theme in all of them , it is the same pint, regurgitated to drink again, to make the same point of view that you linked us to;
Thursday, 11 September 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7610237.stm?lsm
Video: Inside the surge, part one
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The Guardian's award-winning photographer and filmmaker Sean Smith spent two months in 2006 embedded with US troops in Baghdad and Anbar province. His harrowing documentary exposes the exhaustion and disillusionment of the soldiers.
His photo video began showing up all over the Anti-War and America nut roots in Jan or Feb 2007 an have been so recycled they are like a French women’s arms pits, fine until they raise their arms in surrender, then my god, is she, a guy, flashes into your mind the first time. After that, you grasp why the proper postioning in the Karma Sutra is so important.
Spc. Lake 4th Platoon Apache Company Strykers
Spc. Vassell 2nd Platoon Apache Company Strykers
They where In Iraq in 2006, this footage has been so over used, it is as worn out as all those Limey former SAS guys, wink, in Bangkok’s whore houses.
Friday, 16 June 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5088460.stm
Monday, 9 October 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6032909.stm
Monday, 4 December 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6205968.stm
Tuesday, 19 December 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6192815.stm
Tuesday, 23 January 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6287997.stm
Wednesday, 7 February 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6336195.stm
Monday, 19 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6465847.stm
Wednesday, 21 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6477949.stm
Saturday, 19 May 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6669773.stm
Tuesday, 18 September 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7000259.stm
Friday, 21 December 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7153990.stm
Tue 22nd July,2008 http://www.lecturelist.org/content/view_lecture/5555
Clarity is a beautiful thing, yet when one, like Andy boy here try’s making Clartyi from the ambiguity of muddy waters, the blur of view, must not be so obvious in its out of focused intent, hey Tokky lass?
That is all!!
Hmm i haven't really intended to use the Andy link as evidence for a strong point on this or anything like that, lets say i just included it for the sake of it to help create an atmosphere or something like that. Anyways, please don't pay too much intention to that link as it was really never intended to be a strong point of defense, the other links are the more meaningful main ones.
QUOTE (ustrader @ Sep 12 2008, 07:09 AM)
P.S. I noticed the personalinsults on your looks, and though it is not my place, I apologize for that, it was, IMHO, uncalled for and unnecessary to flame you.
You already help in that with that sort of thing anyways. :rolleyes:Tthe apology was sincere though.
You already help in that with that sort of thing anyways.
:rolleyes:Tthe apology was sincere though.Thanks Ustrader i appreciate that
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