As an Asian living in Thailand, I’ve never paid too much attention to US elections. However, given the standing of the US in this increasingly globalised world (in terms of trade and finance) and worsening geopolitical risks, the selection of the next US president has a huge bearing on the fate of the world in the medium term. I, along with many other foreigners, are paying much more attention to this race than ever before.

There’s no argument that the last Bush era has been somewhat of a disaster. From where we sit, the unilateral decision to go to war with Iraq was based on reasons which were dubious, to put it kindly. Unkindly, it was nothing more than a pot of gold for the oil, energy, defence and related industries. The old boys clubs of Houston got very rich while brave Americans were risking, and some losing, their lives. The world’s attitudes to the US is more hostile and negative than ever. Financially, 8 years of over-spending and over-borrowing has left the US$ in the dumps and the economy in tatters.

I have many American friends and I meet quite a few on my travels (many of whom say they’re Canadians out of embarrassment of their own country). Pretty much all of them are fairly international, well-travelled and well educated and therefore, I’m sorry to say – I’m just being honest, they would all vote for the Democrats.

If the world could vote for the US president, I doubt the GOP would get more than 10-15%. I find it quite scary that less than 5% of the world population gets to choose the most powerful person on earth and that the choice is being decided on issues like abortion, gun control and religious beliefs. Of course these are important issues to many, but there are many more pressing things to be worrying about.

Despite all of the above, I am trying to clear the slate and approach all this from bang in the middle. I would therefore like to hear the Republican’s side and understand why one should vote for the McCain / Palin ticket. Please leave the emotions, the slanders and tit-for-tat politics out of this and stick to the issues and convince me with good, positive reasons.

Sawasdee Khrap, Khun Torp

I can answer this.
BTW, Americans abroad in Thailand are for Obama by a huge majority judging from the success of the Democrats Abroad events in Bangkok.

Reasons to vote for McCain:
GREED: You earn over 250,000 dollars per year, your taxes will go up
GREED: You earn over 100,000 dollars per year, your social security withholding taxes might go up
GREED: You own alot of stocks. Your capital gains taxes might go up (this applies to me)
GREED: You have good health care coverage but don't care other people's health, over 50 million Americans without access to health care, and you don't care about the tens of thousands of American deaths every year because of this according to the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION
FEAR: You think the US should invade countries BEFORE they invade the US (as in Iraq)
FEAR: You hate gay people and you think more civil rights for gay people is a threat to heterosexual civil rights
FEAR: You hate black people; you think a black president will mean that black people will take REVENGE against white people as happened in South Africa
EXPERIENCE: You note that McCain has more relevant experience than Obama
DENIAL OF EXPERIENCE: You ignore that VP candidate Palin is shockingly unqualified and likely to be president because of McCain's extreme old age and cancer history
DENIAL OF BUSH: You ignore that McCain is not a change candidate as he voted with Bush 90 percent of the the time and was a MISERABLE FAILURE
EARMARKS: You are impressed with McCain's record of fighting earmark spending (wasteful government spending)
IGNORING HYPOCRISY: you are not bothered that McCain was FOR immigration reform before he was against it, that McCain was against radical Christian fundamentalists getting their hand in politics before he was for it and picked a radical right wing Christian fundamentalist for his VP candidate

I could go on and on. Thanks for your interest.

Khun Torp, I think you have learned all you need to know. McCain/Bush/Palin supporters do not care what foreigners think about America. You are nothing to them.

TQ, so, if you vote for Mccain your automatically racist? Your logic! It is undeniable! (Sarcasm, bro.)

Don't project things unto the canidates. It is quite childish.

Maybe I'll break down TQ's list later.

Witaj, TorP. I'll give you some positives later but first I must say some things to my friend that has been nagging at me for awhile.



I finally found some time to do some serious debating. I apologize in advance if I cannot get to your reply quickly, TQ.

TorP: if you want to know why there are a lot of people that vote Republican, may I suggest that you get your hands on this book.

quote name='TorP' date='Sep 13 2008, 12:53 AM' post='105738']

As an Asian living in Thailand, I’ve never paid too much attention to US elections. However, given the standing of the US in this increasingly globalised world (in terms of trade and finance) and worsening geopolitical risks, the selection of the next US president has a huge bearing on the fate of the world in the medium term. I, along with many other foreigners, are paying much more attention to this race than ever before.

Do tell, an observation, if I may, only a Fahrang under the age of 20 something ,unawares of the decades of Foreign obsession and over inflective attention towards the American Political process, and its elections would assume such a narrow view of historical reality as such. America for more than 60 years has been affecting the world and the world has been trying to affect America to their advantage equally, and I know you know that.

I must say your “Asian” colloquialisms both in terminology, rhetoric, verbiage, in prose and politic ask and answered pandering, gives only the most unobservant pause to wonder, if you are not really a Democrat or even if you are an Asian American, American Asian, Japanese Asian American, Chinese Asian American, Thai Asian American, Malaysian Asian American, Indonesian Asian American, Korean Asian American or otherwise just trolling in nut root fantasy land pretending you can be anything in anonymity?

A duck that quacks like a Duck is a duck, my friend.

There’s no argument that the last Bush era has been somewhat of a disaster. From where we sit, the unilateral decision to go to war with Iraq was based on reasons which were dubious, to put it kindly. Unkindly, it was nothing more than a pot of gold for the oil, energy, defence and related industries. The old boys clubs of Houston got very rich while brave Americans were risking, and some losing, their lives. The world’s attitudes to the US is more hostile and negative than ever. Financially, 8 years of over-spending and over-borrowing has left the US$ in the dumps and the economy in tatters.

A Democratic talking point, right out of its play book trolling for a response unquestionably. Yet, oddly reading all your post here, makes one wonder, why you throughout, are using the common logical fallacies of a circular argument, inside a series of complex questions, which ask a question and give the answer, at the same time?

To dislodge this tactic let us take a more fair tack shall we.

Since you are the ‘cherry newbie here,” I respectfully submit it is your job to convince us, you are not just a troll and perhaps, then you will get an honest answer, thus far not provided by any respondent to your leading and far leaning queries with answers included.

But please no Obama flavoring of the moment promises or pandering, as if a mood ring which changes colors to fit the audience flavor of the moment.

First, let us hear your specifics, not in rumors and subjective Obama words, which have no meaning, as to exactly how, and in what way, and why you assume the US is in the dumps and its economy is in tatters. To include just how very specifically the Bush era is a disaster, adding what are the likely outcomes as result of all this negativity you share about America say 15 years from now and 15 years in the past.

You Lay America's and Bush's flaws and fallings sides by side to the next most effecting, say three world leaders and equal in scope economies, say 15 years back, now, and 15 years forward in time, line item, pro and con, to line item, pro and com, to make it worthwhile, inducing us to ascertain if you are genuine or but a troll not meaning what you said when you said, you were seeking honest answers, oddly to questions, you have given the answers to, in the very questions, you asked in the first place.

I have many American friends and I meet quite a few on my travels (many of whom say they’re Canadians out of embarrassment of their own country). Pretty much all of them are fairly international, well-travelled and well educated and therefore, I’m sorry to say – I’m just being honest, they would all vote for the Democrats.

If the world could vote for the US president, I doubt the GOP would get more than 10-15%. I find it quite scary that less than 5% of the world population gets to choose the most powerful person on earth and that the choice is being decided on issues like abortion, gun control and religious beliefs. Of course these are important issues to many, but there are many more pressing things to be worrying about.

Despite all of the above, I am trying to clear the slate and approach all this from bang in the middle. I would therefore like to hear the Republican’s side and understand why one should vote for the McCain / Palin ticket. Please leave the emotions, the slanders and tit-for-tat politics out of this and stick to the issues and convince me with good, positive reasons.

Look, to save you a whole lot of BS if that is your intent, I have been coming to Thailand for 30 years, I have homes in the North and in Bangkok. 30 years ago, I married my US Grad school sweetheart who is a US/Thai citizens, have a large Thai family, that are Muslims, Buddhist and agnostics like myself. I know Thailand.

If you know Fahrang in Thailand you know this, in the last 10 to 12 years, out of every 100 you see, between 90 and 92 will not be Americans. There are, within 2 to 4%, perhaps 6% at best, only 6,859 Americans living long term in Thailand as of June 2008. Most agree that foreign expats, those having lived in Thailand for more than 18 months, on average amount, in flux, range from 85 to 110 thousands, with a very high rate of turnover among individuals who first become enchanted, and then, in reality, desperately disenchanted, for multitudes of reasons.

Among those 10 Americans, 3 will be running from something types who mostly do not have a pot to piss in and are people you will find very unwise to trust. they cross pollinate as teachers often unqualified with forged qualifications.

2 will be scumbags of some sort, either criminals on the run, pedophiles, thieves, con artist, drunks or drug up escapist and whore mongering Colonialist thinkers.

2 will be there to do some good via real teaching or in NGO's or even GO's. but, 1 of that group is likely to be there to escape something from their past.

All of the aforementioned thus far stereotyped will have a common thread sensed if looked closely for, in various forms, as having a psychologically desire to not want to compete anymore. All will be nearly mbe inic by their non-American counter parts in percentages and as to stereotypes.

Homosexuals, especially in South East Asia, will be disproportionate to their percentage levels which are normally representative in the nations from which they come as a whole statistically.

Of the remaing 3, 1 will be there for real Business, either as an opportune capitalist or a Corporate drone, planted for business purposes.

1 will be trying to find that part of themselves they fell is lost in their former fast moving competitive societies from which they came, this person statistically can cross pollinate with any of the other groups in any way.

The last 1 will be a retiree, who sees a far better life there on his now limited pensions or will be wealthy and be there to make a difference with his wealth for himself, or perhaps others.

Of course these are broad strokes of generalities, debatable, and in fact, beyond the experience of any long stay expiates fairly crossed questioned fro bias polling, disputable of course, but IMHO, a near honest representation given a few degree of error, one way or the other, in general stereotypes and numbers.

You are right about most Americans in Thailand being likely Democrats, as they are the most likely to wnt to excape and give uo first and foremost. But it seems you are unaware as well that historically speaking they are no more likely to vote, as a percentage ,as do 18 to 24 year olds. For one reason in particular, voting exposes a lot of their whereabouts, which, a large percentage do not want.

Long term expiates, of all nationalities, have the highest rates of not voting, not paying Child support, debts, and taxes, and among all travelers, are the most likely to be wanted for a previous crime, and or, doing something illegal as they travel as well. That is exactly why they are looked more closely as they travel back through developed and now even undeveloped countries.

Tea money insiders excepted, of course, Thailand immigration arrest record of foreign criminals entering and exiting Thailand is well respected in international security circles you know.


That is all!!

UStrader, I stopped reading your post after a few sentences, since you don't seem to be able to string one together properly. With your failed attempt at flowery language, I have no idea what your point is, let alone seeing any positive arguments for the GOP. I'm sorry you wasted all that time typing.

One thing, I'm not an American or related to one in any way. I am actually just a Thai but have lived on 4 continents, and travelled to over 50 countries, which is why I clarified that I am in Thailand at this time.

I have posted the same topic on many sites and the responses have largely been the same. The pro-GOP posts just nit-picked my post with petty comments. NOT ONE offered a well reasoned argument for voting for the McCain ticket at this election.

I'm starting to see that only a certain demographic has any incentive to vote for the Republicans and, needless to say, the world has a very unflattering view of that particular demographic. Not that they are aware of this nor care of course, as evidenced by Nomad's response.

The US has been such a strength and support for the world in the past - Thailand has greatly benefited from being friends with the US - but that good reputation has been destroyed in the space of 8 years. It would be a shame if the majority vote couldn't give a s**t about this.

If the US wants to continue to over-spend, borrow money from China, sell equities and assets to the Arabs and Asians, just to keep a section of the population rich, then very best of luck to you. If the US continues to ignore global issues, it will come back to bite them in the end. Global warming will affect the very poor first (African farm land and low lying islands) but I find it quite fitting that the very people who throw a lot of money, from their plush offices in Houston, at the Bush government to ignore / do nothing about global warming are being lashed by ever stronger hurricanes which their propaganda says has nothing to do with human activities.

In Thailand, we call this karma. Perhaps there is a God afterall...

Your post is not worthy of an intellectual response as is evidenced by your failure to grasp the well made points in Traders response to you. You are a brain dead zombie. Constantly spewing the same old bullsh!t from the left. You are not who you say you are. You are just an other piece of liberal sh!t that is devoid of any autonomy or critical thought. Go fornicate thyself worm.

Hmm, no answers, cannot understand, copulated with lots of empty excuses for why, makes sense, a closet doom, where asking, while telling, in fearful avoidance, in pretentious intellectual pursuit, is an insightful equivocal to the Obama nation troller's obligatory clear and present discomfort with telling, while avoiding, at cost and excuse, answering.

Karma, hey, as in a cause, and thus an effect, in the past, the present and future of ones existence, hey, and Thai hey, and trollin hey?

The smell of doom's death, no matter the prose volumed in abundant perfume, permetates always, especially here.

The comfort of a small closet, is to some, spacious, hey, my friend?

chae, poetpoong, nee aria kêe? hong nam yoo tee nai?

troll fodder



That is all!

Nomad, I don't think you would be capable of an intellectual response, particularly if you think ustrader had any well made points.

ustrader, take a minute and actually read what you just wrote. Does it make ANY sense to you? If so, I would suggest you seek help.

And to answer your final probing and insightful question (for others who don't know Thai, he asked 'Where is the bathroom?'), you should already be in the bathroom since your head already seems to be in a toilet bowl full of you-know-what.

To all the other GOP supporters - I feel really sorry for you that you have this kind of people fighting your corner - it does nothing to support your case, but quite the opposite in reinforcing the stereotype of GOP voters...

And Mr Doom; nee aria kêe?


That is all!!

Uh Huh........................

Why is it the dumbest Fks always need to prove they are the dumbest Fks???

Why don't you write that in Thai? You've been here so often you should know...

And Nomad, if you are capable of anything other than useless, unwarranted, unoriginal abuse, please enlighten us with the best policies of the Republicans for this election - top 5 will do.

TQ is right on the mark there unfortunately.



Its seems Ustrader does this a lot these days i'm afraid.



Yeah unfortunately this is pretty much the case with all the McCain/Palin supporters here. They don't tend to do much apart from spending time trying to insult or ignore the opposition instead of coming up with well-reasoned arguments that defend their side. I've been trying to get some sense out of them for ages but the general response tends to be "you're a blah blah blah, we're American and we don't care about your views because you're a foreigner" etc.



True.



Yeah we British have the same issue with America too these days. Most of the Americans here though don't seem to care less about their reputation these days.



Yep its karma alright- most of these Americans here though would probably see this concept of "karma" as anti-American and so ignore it though.



You only prove my point about your side not being able to do much apart from insult. You're hardly one to talk of intellect Nomad when you seemingly can't count nor spell properly (see oil thread).



You're right on the mark there .



Really i think you are asking Nomad too much, you would be expecting an old dog to learn new tricks ! (who knows though, almost anything is possible i guess )

TQ & T-P,
Thanks for your posts. I think you're both right, it's really a waste of time to try and get any sense out of some people. I've been on the forums a couple of days and I've had either agreement or down right abuse - very few reasonable responses.

I have been told on a another forum by an American that a large portion of voting Americans are, and I quote, 'dumb as a box of rocks' and many republicans 'are like school children who gather around a bully and hurl insults at anybody who dares to be different [from] them.'

I thought it was a very harsh generalisation and too much stereotyping. Unfortunately, I've seen nothing over the past couple of days to suggest otherwise.

I've travelled a bit around America, including 'small towns', and people have on the whole been very friendly and welcoming. The thing that shocked me most was the lack of interest and knowledge of the outside world. When I lived in NYC, I was on the phone to a travel agent who didn't know that the United Kingdom was outside of the US. He kept asking me which state it was in!

I do not expect rural populations in any country (not being elitist - just happens to be generally true) to pay too much attention to the world outside their borders but having lived on four continents and having been to over 50 countries, I think the States is probably the worst in this respect, particularly taking into account the level of wealth and education there.

I've just watched the Palin interview on CBS and I find it mind-boggling that this is a close election race. She couldn't answer a single question on issues at the national level. It will be very interesting to see how she does in the debate(s).

As one columnist said in a NY Times article, 'Sarah has the power of positive unthinking. But now we may want to think about where ignorance and pride and no self-doubt has gotten us. Being quick on the trigger might be good in moose hunting, but in dealing with Putin, a little knowledge might come in handy.'

It seems unadulterated, flag-waving patriotism and smashing those who think otherwise is by far the most important thing for many Americans, rather than taking a sober, realistic, informed outlook on things...

Its a sad fact of reality here.



I try not to stereotype as well if i can help it, but alas i too haven't seen much recently that suggests that the negative stereotypes are not true.




Thats crazy- i can believe it though. Check out this picture of a dumb American;



("off-i-cal"?)



Yep you are right on the mark there, i especially agree with that columnist you quoted, he has Palin spot on .

Probably a conservative one at that; they always write like that when they are in a hurry to try to explain themselves.

No, you enlighten us with the top 5 policies the Dems, will bring to the front.................

So you can once again troll in dodge and pretense proving you are what you are, I will accommodate you to a lesser degree, by adding something all together different, in Thai fonts, for your translation, in addition to your telling us what these previous well know phonetic phases I said mean. chae, poetpoong, nee aria kêe?

ผมฟังคุณพูดจ้ออยู่ตั้งนาน บทคุณจะเงียบก็เงียบไปเลยนะ เป็นอะไรหรือเปล่า

If you dodge these you've proven my point you have dodged all the way to เบ้ pretention. ( Translate this Thai word included here too.

That is all!!

I will indulge and translate the Thai - but the phonetic phase frankly could be anything. Don't forget we Thais don't learn how to write Thai in English! Something about - is this s**t?

The Thai says something like that 'I've been listening to you talk for a long time. If you want to end your lesson then do so. What's the matter?'

That's really a more literally translation as I can't be bothered to do more.

As for Nomad - I posted the question to ask Reps but no one can reply. Again I will indulge you from the top of my head, five policies which I think makes sense:

The Dems oppose unilateralism when it comes to foreign policy - disagreed with the invasion of Iraq and should have focussed on getting Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan

The Dems want a more progressive tax regime - giving tax breaks to all those who earn less than about $200,000 (don't recall the exact number) and take back tax breaks given by Bush to the very rich

The Dems sees environmental protection as key and that it can co-exist with a healthy economy.

The Dems want to see a universal healthcare program

The Dems want to give all people equal opportunities and particularly the right to choose when it comes to birth control and abortion.

Those are just off the top of my head and real dems would be able to tell you much better than me. I would study it much more if I was actually a voting American - this is merely an interest and, as per the OP, I wanted to understand the Rep side. Still NOTHING from them but abuse and BS.

In fact, this is really a waste of time.
ไปดีกว่า ไอ้ยูเอสเทรดอร กับ ไ อ้โ นเ เ มด มันโคตรโง่

I do appreciate your inability to translate my Thai written in Thai fonts, as you challenged and then make Obama excuses as to why you cannot understand but the most rudimentary of smelly Euro-American Trash Fahrange sagging from Khoe San Road would understand such Thai English phonetics as I provided. Proving you are the fake DOOM propagandist you are.

What I said that any grammar school Thai would know, much less a world Traveling purveyor of DOOM ideology like yourself, is,

ผมฟังคุณพูดจ้ออยู่ตั้งนาน บทคุณจะเงียบก็เงียบไปเลยนะ เป็นอะไรหรือเปล่า เบ้

(I was listening to you talking incessantly but you suddenly keep quiet. What's wrong?)

Now to your grammar school Thai response, in very bad Thai I might add.

ปดีกว่า ไอ้ยูเอสเทรดอร กับ ไ อ้โ นเ เ มด มันโคตรโง่

I understand your contempt for my proving excessively you foolish, and not me, as you so clumsily attempted to imply saying really I am the better man for showing you as the fraud and fake you are, by making you look so foolish in not knowing simple phonetic's children know, and, then amatuerishly retorting in this broken Thai follow by far mostly as an idio-gram of the weakest links fear in doom lost reality of angry DOOMocratic ideology.

I bet U PAD man. 600 bhat a day, and free food, good deal for world traveler, hey

Tourist and Investor Gone, No good, hey, bad time for PAD, lose, and lose vote, after vote, like Dooms, but keep on proving who is the foolish and most inept in the all the land in a world of dreams and failures.



That is all!

I'm not sure why I'm still having this discussion as it's like what someone else on a different forum best described as 'picking on a retarded child'. But given your age, perhaps it's more like senility. I guess it gives me amusement to see what else you come up with.

You keep saying that I'm not really a Thai - why is that? Because I can actually speak English properly? If I apply the same logic, I think you're lying too - there's no way you're an American because your grasp of the English (or should I say American) grammar is worse than my 9-year old nephew. Having a thesaurus doesn't mean you suddenly become a great poet.

If I'm not Thai - why the hell would I be a PAD man? Do you think someone with my level of education would accept 600bt a day to camp out in a rotting muddy lawn in the rain? You want to start talking about Thai politics? On that subject, I can certainly show up your obvious ignorance.

There's never a single piece of logic in any of your gibberish.

Why don't you ask your wife to come have a Thai conversation with me? Then I can tell her what a deranged dumb ##### you are.

Anyway, ask your wife or family members again but your translation is wrong. Let's break it up vs mine:

ผมฟังคุณพูดจ้ออยู่ตั้งนาน
I've been listening to you talk for a long time vs I was listening to you talking incessantly = same thing

บทคุณจะเงียบก็เงียบไปเลยนะ
If you want to end your lesson then do so. vs but you suddenly keep quiet. = it may have been taken as your translation but not that clear. In Thai, what you said would be something like:
อยู่ดีฯก้อเงียบไป

เป็นอะไรหรือเปล่า

What's the matter? vs What's wrong? = same thing

And there's nothing wrong with saying that you are โคตรโง่ - perhaps you just can't accept the truth.

quote name='TorP' date='Sep 17 2008, 03:37 PM' post='105923'




I'm not sure why I'm being 'picked on as if I were retarded child, with senility. I guess it gives USTRADER some delight to see I cannot come up with anything but answering my own questions, while, in the emptiness that is Obama dogging, avoiding answering any questions put be me. Odd how stupid some people on the nut-root think everyone else is- hey Torpy

You keep saying that I'm not really a Thai - why is that? Because I can actually speak English properly? Having a thesaurus doesn't mean you suddenly become a great poet.

Yet, allegedly self aggrandizing one’s ability to speak, really unintelligently stated, in this case, write, English properly, does not imbue any measure of intellect either, now does it. Hey ObamaPAD?

Are you feeling that Obama tinkle down your leg, my inflamed one.

If I'm not Thai - why the hell would I be a PAD man?

You are obviously as inexperienced as Obama in playing this game. One who should put out answer and ask rhetoric’s of antagonism, in a field of combatants, without the ability and fortitude to face down fierce antagonizing in push back, my ObamaPAD man.

Perhaps your answer is in the Bantum hen behavior of Obamanation- PAD-ISM’s affectionate for whine, blame and exploiting false doom , that may be something you should consider. Get it?

Do you think someone with my level of education would accept 600bt a day to camp out in a rotting muddy lawn in the rain?

What I know is you are, as we have seen from the beginning, as anomalous surreptitious person hidden from real view, one of great self aggrandizing hubris, no doubt, Obamapad man.

Beyond that you are rotting us in Political diatribes as a Doomocratic advocate, who claims, rather pretentiously, he, as a Thai, has a right to impel his views into in the American election by using talking points right out of Doom’s play book?

You want to start talking about Thai politics? On that subject, I can certainly show up your obvious ignorance.

Unlike you fake Obamanation, I would never, nor have I ever, in 30 years, in more years than you have likely lived, presumed I had any right to have even have an opinion of or about Thai Politics as you pretend as a “Thai” you have such a right in your American politics of answering your own questions. In a manner that is obviously above your “pay Grade, as a Thai, as mine would be, as an American, about Thai Politics.

There's never a single piece of logic in any of your gibberish.


Gibberish, is as gibberish twaddle’s, my Obamanation spin doctor of Obamapad-isms.

Why don't you ask your wife to come have a Thai conversation with me?

Sorry Obama ploy, but off the mark PAD man, My wife is a Thai American who long ago lost, willingly, the ability to read and write Thai.The Intelligence meter dropped with that guess hey?

Then I can tell her what a deranged dumb a s s you are.

My goodness, I am sure with that one, you felt a big tinkle go down you angry leg of hubris, hey Obamapad man?

Sorry, obviously angry attacks as is the Obamanation’s Corp ability trademark, reveals, once again, you are not what you say.

You ready to surrender yet?


My Avatar, says; ” I will never submit and or surrender,” and the one I carried before that as a Marine said, ” Semper Fidelis, Nunquam cede. ”





kôht ngôh โคตร โง่ now who is it that is Extremely or excessively foolish or stupid, you perhaps?

Okay I will play a little more. It is fun, don’t you think, this pretend land of nut roots?



Obamanationpad man, You know where this photo is above, right? As you are facing the sign, there is “something” to your left quite striking and wholly unexpected there, what is it?


That is all!!

I'll ignore the stuff above since it's just the usual undecipherable BS.



Well done on being able to go on the online dictionary. A little star for ustrader.



That's the top of Doi Intanon. Have a picture of myself in front of that very sign in fact. Nothing striking to me up there. Just to usual touristy crap. A walk-way on the left takes you to the highest point marker and down through the trees to the little shops, which you can get down via the right of that sign past the car parks. A couple of cheesy temples on the way. Nice waterfalls. Mostly fog in the rainy season. That's pretty much it.

This is getting quite amusing... I'm thinking now that you're just a bored person who likes to pull people's legs. No one can seriously come up with stuff like that. I met a guy just like this on the Nation (English newspaper in Thailand) forum last year.

let me give you another one, do you know were Bangkok's and Thailand's only Ferrari dealship is? Can you tell me where it is?

You rich guy, world traveler, I can get you good deal, quick, what you say?

You want to buy fruit juice factory, I get you good deal, you know town about 25 Km south of Chiang Mae in big time industrial park, many, many foriegner companies, you know town which I speak?

ustrader here to help, you know.
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Ferma is the official importer and they have a place on Rama IV, off the top of my head. Actually, they also have a show room in Paragon now - but shows only Maseratis I think.



Never said I was rich. Just not poor enough to take 600bt /day from the PAD (actually the going rate is 200). Even if I was, I'd never pay 300% tax for an imported car. Only Hondas and Toyotas are the way to go in Thailand for good value cars.




Did you mean Chiang Mai? Don't want a factory thanks. Call Tipco, but they already have too much capacity even after the Jap deal. K. Charoen might be interested - he's expanding soft drinks after the Oishi acquisition.

On Doi Intanon - no idea what you're talking about. Very cold, wet and foggy last time I went so didn't pay too much attention to anything but a nice warm cup of coffee...

Believe I'm a Thai yet? If not, keep the questions coming. It's a welcome distraction from the blood being shed on the financial markets.

ok - I'm now convinced you're not an American. Your Thignlish shows you up. You're probably sitting in Chiang Mai or Lamphun in a ceramics factory somewhere with little else to do.

I think you have the wrong K. Charoen. The most famous one made his money out of spirits and now beer. Heard of ThaiBev?

I've been to Doi Intanon precisely twice. Once when there was only a dirt track about 25 years ago - and last year, when yes the fog was so bad you can only see about 10 yards away, sometimes less. As I live in Bangkok, not Lamphun like you, it's a long way to go. We have a residence at the Four Seasons in Mae Rim (not something a poor soi cowboy American teacher can afford) so I tend not to leave there much - may be a bit of furniture shopping in Hang Dong.

I'm not going to waste time writing essays for you. I really couldn't give a flying f**k what you think but the trivial questions were, as I said, a welcome distraction.

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Saddam sponsored terrorism as much as a number of other despots around the world plus the US knew the WMD issue was mostly talk:

Colin Powell in Cairo February 24, 2001:
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."

Condoleeza Rice, July 2001:
"We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

Iran and North Korea posed, and still poses, a greater threat yet the US did not have the resources to fight stronger opponents with one war already waging in Afghanistan. They knew Iraq was weak (per comments above) and thought they could steam roll them (which they did) and grab valuable resources. Unfortunately, people who don't like foreigners to invade their country for no good reason tend to fight back.

Using nukes, low yield or not, on the Pakistani border is probably the best way to provoke a nuclear power. Also a great strategy if you want to restart another nuclear arms race, except this time the opposition isn't the USSR but rogue states intent on wiping Israel and allies off the face of the planet.



Agree that Dems can't really argue on the tax point cos overall they'll tax more given their philosophy of government. I'm considered a conservative here but I don't see much wrong with giving back. Let's leave that one to philosophical differences.



It's laughable that you don't think man made a difference to global warming. A huge majority of scientists and independent agencies (perhaps apart from those on the GOP payroll) agree that man very much contributed to global warming. It MUST exist with a healthy economy as we have no other alternative. If that means we all have to change our behaviour then so be it. It doesn't take much to start changing things - stop driving 4.0L V8s would be a good one. What's the point of having such powerful cars when you can only drive 55mph max in many places...



The US government has spent or approved $800bn for the war in Iraq. That's $2.6m per every US citizen. I'd say that pretty much looks after your healthcare costs for quite a few years...



Yes, by law discrimination is illegal. But be really honest with yourself and us, the neo cons aren't really all that happy about it, are they?

After I've taken a quick stab at it - would you enlighten us with your list, Nomad?

ustrader, talking of conservatives, did you know that the PAD largely has the same philosophy as the Republican party? You must hate all these leftist, socialist, populist hand-outs of the Thaksin government. Free money for the poor! One can only conclude that you are a PAD supporter.

Before you pick me up on this - different places have different definition of billion. In the UK, a billion is often taken as 1,000,000m rather than 100,000m as in the US so I misunderstood the per capita amount. In any case, the $800bn is correct and that still goes a long way...

How did I miss this wonderful response yesterday, goodness what a delight it was too.

Right off, we agree on one thing, your non-responses where a waste of your time as I was proven right by your own Thai words, correct, my protected farang.

Yet, you made up for it with you’re the Low class bar girl/ Katoey Dialect and not so educated intellect which was self evident in the poorly selected language written so rambling in an uneducated Thai dialect and manner so angerly.

Yet in the end you admit, you are American, perhaps shamefully Thai, though that is in doubt for sure. But if so a poor uneducated Thai American political hack exposed as a fake as you were pretending to be, proven here in your own Thai writings for sure, as was my point.

You are right about one thing in a roundabout way, my mother and father taught me well enough, in wisdom and manners, to spot an angry fake charlatan, who speaks in trashy tongues in a low class dialectS, when I run into one, my American DOOMER of low dialect ideology.

You will need to talk to other members here as to the rest your intelligence, they go by the names of TQ and FIT2BTHAIED, our, on again, off again, resident escapist to Thailand, who proudly admitted they may fit the butt sores and penis liking types sao well express so adoringly for yourself. I could not help but note your fascination with male rape, I guess that explains your being in Thailand hey.

Your thai responses were so illiterate in Thai Bar girl intellect, made in what has become the atypical Doom like expressions of nothing to say, but to adore ones self in demeaning expression, that say far more about the speaker, than those they speak to or about.

I am sure if you can walk and wear a Speedos these two will come a running. I get the impression they are bit nitpicky though, but maybe with you, if you speak more in this Thai bar girl/ Katoye trash mouth dialect, you used here, they will go for you, after all twisted minds do think alike you know?

As for your over hyper harangues about Thaskin and Pad and the stupidity about me being for one or the other, well obvious, such an uneducated man as yourself is unable to read what I said about being apolitical when it comes to Thailand, as it is not my Country, and as I have repeated for many years, what Thai's do are for Thai's to decide, and what American's do, are for American's to decide.

Are you perhaps Jealous, that I can have all the time to do what I want, when I want, as I want, as my future and those of my kin are well secured, while yours is about to come crumbled into the dust in your very advocacy for extremist’s spend and tax utopian disasters to are yet to come under the ineptness of Pelosi/ Reid and Obama.

I long ago edged against, in what real Thai's call, rob kop visions, those that look forward, in being prepared for that which most all say is impossible, which oddly, always somehow becomes possible, for the ill prepared and the, for now, and, for me, focused on yesterday looking backward viewers of extremism as both liberals and conservatives dogmatist like yourself always do.

That is all

I guess I was wrong - you're really not a Thai, just an American who can't write properly (though your writing has been getting a little better since you've stopped trying so hard to sound intelligent).

If you really were a Thai, you'd realise that the Thai I wrote is actually normal spoken Thai - used by bar girls and hi-so people amongst friends alike - that kind of language is also used when talking down to people of a lessor standing.

But sadly, this is the end of our conversation. I've been on these forums over a week and I've got what I've come for - though not from this particular forum. Here, I got nothing but a confirmation of the redneck stereotype - but some people on other forums offered some proper insights into Rep thinking, and I've learnt a few things there.

On this forum, according to you I've now become a PAD-supporting, American soi cowboy bar girl or tranny. Interesting thought process. At least one thing hasn't changed, you're still the dumb redneck I thought you were from the start.

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