If you are a fan of irony, consider this: The conservative movement has utterly hated FDR, and his New Deal programs like Medicaid, Social Security, FDIC, Fannie Mae (1938), and the SEC for nearly 80 years. And for the past 8 years, a conservative was in the White House, with a very conservative agenda. For something like 16 of the past 18 years, the conservative dominated GOP has controlled Congress. Those are the facts.


We now see that the grand experiment of deregulation has ended, and ended badly. The deregulation movement is now an historical footnote, just another interest group, and once in power they turned into socialists. Indeed, judging by the actions of the conservatives in power, and not the empty rhetoric that comes out of think tanks, the conservative movement has effectively turned the United States into a massive Socialist state, an appendage of Communist Russia, China and Venezuela....


Whenever a Republican talking head says they are for any of the above mentioned things they should be questioned to explain how that statement (I'm for free markets) jibes with banning short selling of an entire sector of the market. Whenever a Republican says he is for smaller government, have him explain the nearly doubling of discretionary spending when the Republicans controlled all branches of government.

Simply put, this week demonstrated how hollow many of the Republican values are. They sound great on paper, but aren't put into practice when that result might cause financial harm to another Republican.

Still living in your own little dreamland aren't you....................

If conservatism is dead why do the conservatives in the media continues to trounce the MSM in the ratings? Why do Limbaugh, Hanniity, and local conservative hosts continue to put the talk competition to shame in the Arbitrons? If conservatism is dead why did Air America go BK?

Conservatism is alive and well, just absent a leader at present. Haven't had one since Reagan.
So dream on Gizzard in your Kos induced stupor.

If you are a fan of irony, consider this: The conservative movement has utterly hated FDR, and his New Deal programs like Medicaid, Social Security, FDIC, Fannie Mae (1938), and the SEC for nearly 80 years. And for the past 8 years, a conservative was in the White House, with a very conservative agenda. For something like 16 of the past 18 years, the conservative dominated GOP has controlled Congress. Those are the facts.


We now see that the grand experiment of deregulation has ended, and ended badly. The deregulation movement is now an historical footnote, just another interest group, and once in power they turned into socialists. Indeed, judging by the actions of the conservatives in power, and not the empty rhetoric that comes out of think tanks, the conservative movement has effectively turned the United States into a massive Socialist state, an appendage of Communist Russia, China and Venezuela....


Whenever a Republican talking head says they are for any of the above mentioned things they should be questioned to explain how that statement (I'm for free markets) jibes with banning short selling of an entire sector of the market. Whenever a Republican says he is for smaller government, have him explain the nearly doubling of discretionary spending when the Republicans controlled all branches of government.

Simply put, this week demonstrated how hollow many of the Republican values are. They sound great on paper, but aren't put into practice when that result might cause financial harm to another Republican.

Hey Grizz, the REAL name of that place is "The Daily Kaos", because that is what it is like over there.

I feel like my intelligence is being insulted...

Grizz, you've completely missed the concept of that post.

How dare you insult me by using the Daily Krap! You really think anyone would fall for the blithering emotional sapling's rambles? I thought the Libs were the touchy feely kind, Oi?

I'm sorry, I just can't take anything from the Kos seriously. My time should be spent more wisely.

I'm going to quote Taco Bell when I say, "Think outside the Box." I'm not going to rethink my opinion because a "blogger" could string some reliable-sounding sentences together. Nay, I don't have time to research because the prospect is not worthwhile.

Now wipe the froth off your keyboard and get along you barmy git.

Grizz, you've completely missed the concept of that post.

How dare you insult me by using the Daily Krap! You really think anyone would fall for the blithering emotional sapling's rambles? I thought the Libs were the touchy feely kind, Oi?

I'm sorry, I just can't take anything from the Kos seriously. My time should be spent more wisely.

I'm going to quote Taco Bell when I say, "Think outside the Box." I'm not going to rethink my opinion because a "blogger" could string some reliable-sounding sentences together. Nay, I don't have time to research because the prospect is not worthwhile.

Now wipe the froth off your keyboard and get along you barmy git.

Would you please suggest some more sites that would be my worthwhile, please?

And Solo, she sounds like an Aussie.

Justice Dept. Moves Toward Charges Against Contractors in Iraq Shooting
By Del Quentin Wilber and Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, August 17, 2008; A01

Federal prosecutors have sent target letters to six Blackwater Worldwide security guards involved in a September shooting that left 17 Iraqi civilians dead, indicating a high likelihood the Justice Department will seek to indict at least some of the men, according to three sources close to the case.

The guards, all former U.S. military personnel, were working as security contractors for the State Department, assigned to protect U.S. diplomats and other non-military officials in Iraq. The shooting occurred when their convoy arrived at a busy square in central Baghdad and guards tried to stop traffic.

An Iraqi government investigation concluded that the security contractors fired without provocation. Blackwater has said its personnel acted in self-defense.

The sources said that any charges against the guards would likely be brought under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act, which has previously been used to prosecute only the cases referred to the Justice Department by the Defense Department for crimes committed by military personnel and contractors overseas. Legal experts have questioned whether contractors working for the State Department can be prosecuted under its provisions.

The sources cautioned that prosecutors are still weighing evidence gathered in a 10-month investigation that began shortly after the shootings. A federal grand jury has heard testimony from about three dozen witnesses since November, including U.S. and Blackwater officials and Iraqis, according to two of the sources.

Target letters, often considered a prelude to indictment, offer suspects the opportunity to contest evidence brought before the grand jury and give their own version of events. The letters were sent this summer, although the sources, who agreed to discuss the case only on the condition of anonymity because of its sensitivity, said a final decision on whether to indict may not be made until October, about a year after the incident...

Once again you have managed to completely miss the meaning of my post. And you have the audacity to divert attention in an attempt to save your sorry beczka. Rule #19 of debating like a ninny, was it? How droll you are making this.

This is not about whether the contractors were there for the right reasons, this is about doing and saying anything to discredit Bush, and the Daily Kos in general.

The thing is, now stay with me, is that The Daily Kos is not a good source. It is embedded in the far left, bias, Anti-Bushism of 'Mark. Countless times they have lied in their blind stupor, these are just bloggers you know, not professional reporters(and yet somehow they manage to screw up royally.) You cannot trust every scrap of a sentence you get.

I will not trust a source that doesn't even try to question Obama's relationship with Reverend Wright, but I have only quickly searched. Alas, I have not found anything.

Furthermore I do not know of 'Freedom Thinker' or 'Flopping Aces', nor have I ever used them so that point means nothing.

This debate is worth a nicker and nothing more. I don't know why I bother, but at least it is a fun jest.

And to Solo:This is like therapy, quite fun really.

Once again you have managed to completely miss the meaning of my post.

And you have the audacity to divert attention in an attempt to save your sorry beczka

You really think anyone would fall for the blithering emotional sapling's rambles? I thought the Libs were the touchy feely kind, Oi?

This is not about the contractors, this is about the Daily Kos and its biased, liberal bloggers who follow their leader, 'Mark, like a lost puppy.

They do not care about facts, they don't care if we, y'know kill the people who send us death threats. All they(Daily Kos, your prissy tenet.) care about is discrediting Bush and Republicans.

Clear enough? Good.

Grizzly, re-read our little row. You will find my sarcastic comment, your proclaimed higher leverage, then explanation on my part, you titter, I lay it down, you get in a tizzy and and few posts later here we are.

How we got off topic, speaking for myself, I am just plain tired of liberal members such as yourself trotting the Daily Kos around like a high bred show dog. Which in reality, if you take away the cotton balls and glue, it is just a a loud brazen parrot. You were just the lucky dickens that I decided to post here.

("they depict the usual zig-zag ramblings of a particular conservative"
So, which conservative do I remind you of? )

I care nought for opinions. That is, I don't care about the original post.

I just wanted to get in a row with a lib about the Daily Kos.(though, come to think of it, you asked for it after my sarcastic post.) Your thread just happens to be the one I post on. I do not care about the original topic.

Your thread just happens to be the one I post on.

I don't take anything from the Kos into consideration, sorry. The topic we have been discussing is the Kos. I notice you still haven't replied to my accusations, your still trying to divert attentions because I've hit upon a soft spot

You asked me which sites would be your worthwhile, I instead gave you the reason why not to use the Kos. I really had no intention of replying to the actual topic, I'm just voicing my irritation.

Let us review this again:

I made a sarcastic comment, you reply provoking me to explaination, another jest from you and I must reply again. We pretty much slap each other and here we are. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see what happened.

And your ignoring my accusations. Again. And again. Still diverting our attention. Or ignoring my accusations.

Rules #15 of debating like a ninny:If your stuck, call the other person crazy and make your get away.

SoloNav:

Thankyou. Grab one of these just in case and feel free to watch.

I will quit soon if he doesn't reply to my accusations. However, that would be giving him an easy escape, so I shall continue untill the blessed day he quits dodging.