Hold the phone.
Just found this: This blog references the post I just made here about Michelle's conversation with API.

*Breaking* Did Michelle Confirm Barack is Indonesian? [Update x2]

October 14, 2008 by texasdarlin

Update 2: 10/15/08 12:40 PM ET: I’m receiving several reports (see the comment thread) that API claims to have audio tape of the conversation with Michelle Obama. Stay tuned…

(I am also hoping that Judah Benjamin will write a brief summary of the legal implications.)

Update 1: I agree with readers that this story needs to be confirmed. Can anyone find an independent verification of Michelle Obama’s call to API?

According to African Press International, Michelle Obama called API to complain about the reports by bloggers that challenge her husband’s eligibility…

“….I can tell the American people that My husband loves this country and his adoption never changed his love for this country. He was born in Hawaii, yes, and that gives him all the right to be an American citizen even though he was adopted by a foreigner; says Michelle Obama on telefon to API.”

Those who have followed this blog know that we have asserted that Barack Obama may still have Indonesian citizenship. It is probable that he is either a naturalized US citizen, or illegal — as Philip Berg has claimed.

Michelle said, according to API:

My husband and I know that there is no law that will stop him from becoming the president, just because some American white racists are bringing up the issue of my husband’s adoption by His step father.

Well, first of all, we’re not racist. And secondly, YES, there is a law. There are actally several laws.

If Obama was adopted by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, as we’ve theorized on this blog, then he became an Indonesian citizen, and most likely forfeited, putting the status of his US citizenship in question. Also, unless he formally renounced his Indonesian citizenship by the age of 21, he would STILL BE Indonesian. (See Berg’s filings for a legal explanation of these issues).

Not only does it appear that Obama has dual citizenship, which in and of itself if constitutionally problematic for a President — It’s now a serious inquiry as to whether Barack Obama is a legal natural-born US citizen. (Again, see Berg’s motions).

I will update this post with additional references from our previous work when I’m able, as I’m under-the-weather at the moment. For starters, check out these......

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A person born in the US is automatically qualified to be a US citizen.
The US recognizes dual citizenships.
I don't see the issue.
If you really believe that Obama is also still a dual citizen of Indonesia, the time to be concerned is when he runs for office in Jakarta. Indonesia is the world's largest democracy and a US ally.

Got this from another forum:

I'm not an American citizen and I can figure it out, why can't you? Under the Nationality Act of 1940 Obama, a minor in the custody of his mother, lost his US citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian citizen and expatriated her US citizenship. Obama’s mother, upon her return to the US after divorcing her Indonesian husband, failed to take an oath of allegiance to regain her US citizenship. Obama could have easily retained his citizenship by simply taking the oath of allegiance when he turned eighteen. However, when he was 20 Obama travelled to Pakistan using his Indonesian passport; Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship.

Both countries don't need to allow it. If you one country does, you just don't tell the other one. If he used an Indo passport at that young age, I am guessing he was poor and had that passport and found it convenient to use to travel there, no issue with visas if you are holding their passport. I know of many people with two passports. It is quite common these days. You are a hick and a rube. This is not disqualifying even if all these stories are true. No wonder you like RACIST Palin. You probably think Jews can't be president because all of us can fly to Israel and become Israeli if we want, and also still retain our US citizenship AND passport. I know for rubes like you and Palin who doesn't know the world, these things are too complicated. Grow up you hick!

Too bad to be him that he used the wrong passport, then.........he can't prove he had an American one at that tender age. The record is against him.

You know, TQ, your post was quite informative until you had to digress into the insults. Mustuv hit a nerve for you to get so nasty. Why do you have to bring your Jewish heritage into practically every post you make? Hormones?

Double post

You are very stupid. I explained to you why he would use an Indo passport if he had an Indo passport in Indonesia. It is the best passport to have if traveling to Indonesia! It makes no difference if he had or did not also have a US passport at that time. It was for TRAVELING purposes! It does not reflect on his being a US national EITHER WAY. Who is Mustuv, some Arab?

If I was so lucky as to be able to get a THAI passport, my life would be so much easier. But getting one would not mean anything as far as my US citizenship! BTW, I can't get one.

Then, you are saying he had two passports? The U.S. one which he did not use, and the Indonesian one that does not allow dual citizenships? Since he used the Indonesian one which does not allow for dual citizenship, he must have been Indonesian.

Not what I am saying at all. I don't know any of the real facts about this and it sure sounds like another Swift boat.
The Indo passport and Indo policies are 100 percent irrelevant to US policies. It does not matter. This is not an issue except for racists like you who want to paint him as too foreign and not a real American.

Or, there is a real case against him: (1) He is Indonesian, or (2) He has dual citizenship. Either way he has not told U.S.

If Senator Obama had, at any point, been open, transparent and honest about his past, the DNC should never have accepted his candidacy/nomination/call it what you will in the first place because from the time he wrote “Dreams of my Father” he has been romanticizing and embroidering his family history to specifically eliminate his Indonesian boyhood from public consciousness. It is self apparent that he is not telling the whole truth. How many times has he changed his name? How many birth certificates does he have? This isn't a man that needs to be POTUS. He can't be trusted. Calling me a racist doesn't change the facts of the case.

He didn't make the mess about his childhood, but Arnold Schwarzenegger isn’t responsible for the fact that he was born in Austria either.

If all of this is true, he would have broken State Department Guidelines. He would have deceived the American People, he would have done grave and heinous disservice to the Democratic Party, the African American Community, the Congress, the State of Illinois and every Educational Institution he has ever attended as student or teacher but he would not have broken the Letter of the Law.

This would make him would make him illegible for the office of POTUS.

This smells very Swift boaty. It will help with fascists like you who already hate him. It won't help with people who are losing their homes, losing their jobs, lost their healthcare. I don't accept any of the info you have presented and neither will non-fascist Americans. You have lost. Crow all you want.

Calling me names doesn't change the facts, TQ. I'm not the one hating anyone. You are the one calling names and insulting.

And, the red herring about people losing their homes, etc. doesn't have anything to do with this subject. Under Obama, the economy would become worse.........according to 80% of CEO's of this nation........you know? The guys that run the business-end of our economy?

BTW, I'm not writing this for your info........didn't expect you to drop your insane devotion to the Democratic Party, even though you once said you didn't like Obama as a candidate. I'm writing this for those that are lurking and reading this. You certainly haven't helped your case by your presentation.

Sorry Solo, this why the Internet, where about 40% of ill informed voters get their information is such a sewage process plant of willful and or otherwise misinformation and or disinformation or devation of factual reality.

I researched the idea of how one can renounce their US citizenship, both native born and nationalized citizenship. It took me longer to type this than to find the answer. and come to a deducable conclusion as to its likely veracity.

Renunciation is the process of giving up your U.S. citizenship. To renounce your U.S. citizenship you must be in a foreign nation and fill out the proper forms in front of a U.S. diplomat, usually at a U.S. embassy. This process relieves you of all the protections and duties of a U.S. citizen. This process is permanent.

For those who are contemplating renunciation of their United States citizenship, the ramifications can be significant. The individual who desires to renounce the United States citizenship should understand that once the process is set in motion, there is no going back. The individual must also make a trip outside of the United States of America to see if the country of which he/she wants to become a citizen subsequently, will accept him/her. Then he/she should approach the United States Embassy or Consulate and sign the relevant papers to renounce his or her citizenship. This is in accordance with a United States law that governs renunciation of US citizenship {Section 349( a ) (5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)}

In order to go through the process of renouncing US citizenship an individual must be physically present before a United States consular or diplomatic officer. If the individual is not in the United States they can appear before a US consular or diplomatic officer at an official US Embassy. The individual will then sign an oath of renunciation from the United States. The United States has the right to reject renouncing US citizenship if the individual wishes to retain certain citizenship rights or still maintains a legal residence within the United States. Anyone that attempts renouncing US citizenship through the mail, email, Internet or through a representative will not be considered renounced and their citizenship status will not change. Part of renouncing US citizenship is to demonstrate that you clearly understand the consequences of the action. For example, if you wish to travel freely and be able to re-enter the US and even keep a physical address in the US, you have clearly demonstrated that you do not understand the consequences of renouncing US citizenship. As a result, the State Department will reject your renunciation and your citizenship status will remain unchanged.

G. IRREVOCABILITY OF RENUNCIATION

Finally, those contemplating a renunciation of U.S. citizenship should understand that the act is irrevocable, except as provided in section 351 of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1483), and cannot be canceled or set aside absent successful administrative or judicial appeal. (Section 351( b ) of the INA provides that an applicant who renounced his or her U.S. citizenship before the age of eighteen can have that citizenship reinstated if he or she makes that desire known to the Department of State within six months after attaining the age of eighteen. See also Title 22, Code of Federal Regulations, section 50.20).

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

So if Obama's mother officially and properly renounced her US Citizenship while in Indonesia, it would have been Permanent and IRREOVABLE!

Thus, when she came back Hawaii, as she did, I think in just a few years aftervleaving her indonesian husband, even though Hawaii was not a State, she would have had to have some nationality, otherwise, she would have been Stateless, either way, Hawaii would have noted it when she returned. Likewise, when Hawaii citizens where grandfathered as US citizens at annexation, there would be a low probability that this was not discovered and confirmed, as the State Department would have a record of her renouncing her citizenship.

I guess there could be some great Conspiracy that covered it, like those who think we killed our own om 9/11, but that seems improbable to me.

I personally would give this story about a 2 to 4 %, at the extreme best chance of being accurate and factual.


That is all!!

Thank you UST. My thoughts exactly. SN is a raving lunatic these days who can't accept an end of an era. She reminds me of myself when the fascists stole the election in 2000.

Sorry, Trader, she automatically renounced her citizenship when she married an Indonesian according to the lawyer who brought this suit against Obama. (Repost from my earlier posting)

Under the Nationality Act of 1940, Obama, a minor in the custody of his mother, lost his US citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian citizen and expatriated her US citizenship. Obama’s mother, upon her return to the US after divorcing her Indonesian husband, failed to take an oath of allegiance to regain her US citizenship

.She didn't have to renounce it by the means by which you wrote.

Note: OK, I've researched this some more and found out that the 1940 Nationality Act did not pertain to Obama's mother as the law was for marriages prior to 1922.

"From and after the effective date of this Act, a woman, who was a citizen of the United States at birth, and who has or is believed to have lost her United States citizenship solely by reason of her marriage prior to September 22, 1922, to an alien, and whose marital status with such alien has or shall have terminated, if no other nationality was acquired by affirmative act other than such marriage,shall, from and after the taking of the oath of allegiance prescribed by subsection ( of section 335 of this Act, be deemed to be a citizen of the United States to the same extent as though her marriage to said alien had taken place on or after September 22, 1922.***"

This gets worse.

Apparently, according to Obama's Fight the Smears website, he had a Kenyan citizenship:

From another site: Here

From “Fight the Smears”, courtesy of Annenberg-owned Factcheck.org (did they think they were helping?)

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

Now nice Anti-Pumas, please admit that the Senator has been selling snake oil and you have been buying it. I said he was probably born with Dual Citizenship under the 1948 Act at the outset, and I wasn’t wrong. Likewise, I wasn’t wrong about the Kenyan Constitution and his Kenyan Citizenship. Don’t take any bets that I’m wrong about Indonesia. Or the US Constitution and what it means.

Please note that I, once again, state that I, personally, believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that it doesn’t affect my opinion on his Eligibility for the Office of POTUS at all. In my understanding Article II Requires that one be a “Natural Born Citizen”, and in terms of the Law as understood by the Framers, anyone with Dual Citizenship could not be “Natural Born”. It does not matter that they no longer hold that Citizenship, they fall into the same bracket as a “Naturalized Citizen” because they have/had Divided Allegiance. That is my view and I haven’t moved an inch on it.

And, divided allegiance he does have. He campaigned for a Kenyan. Odinga Made A Deal with Kenyan Muslims to Institute Islamic Law; Obama Campaigned for Him There's a big fat picture on the website with Obama on a bullhorn campaigning for Odinga, a Muslim sympathizer and leader of the socialist Orange Democratic Movement. And, gave him campaign money.

In August 2007, Odinga had signed an agreement with Islamic extremists to institute Islamic Law should he be elected President of Kenya, and he vowed to end cooperation with the United States in the war against terror. WHY did OBAMA actively campaign for him?

Yep! This is the man I want for my president.

I would say that constitutes divided allegiance.

Yep! This is the man I want for my president.

Sad to be you.

No sad for you because you will be "stuck" with him as YOUR president for 8 years! Ha ha ha! Your turn to squirm! I love it.

<BUMP>

The election is over, surely you can drop the lies and untruths now in order to debate something with more substance?

And what could be of more substance than to determine if the president elect is in fact constitutionally qualified to hold that office. His birth record has been "sealed" in Hawaii. Why do that if there is nothing to hide??????????

More substance? Probably a complete RECTAL EXAM for you just about now. Obama's birth issues? NOBODY CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nobody cares? Apparently Alan Keyes does...and the real Americans who want to know if the president elect can constitutionally hold office. If Obama was not born in the US, should he be president?

Tell Keyes if he has proof to turn it in and end this thing.

Why can't Obama prove he was born IN THE COUNTRY HE WAS ELECTED TO RUN.

He doesn't have to prove squat; you -- as well as other Repukes -- are the ones that are accusing him of not being a citizen. The burden is on the accusers, not Obama.

All BO has to do is release his birth certifcate and allow it be verified to put this issue to rest once and for all.
But he will not do that...............
Why not, Shemp?

Your answer

Of course. The Constitution be damned. The ends justify the means, eh Shemp? But that's OK with you. Every single principle of liberalism is founded on a lie or a fantasy. Why should this be any different.........

Why in the world should the accused HAVE TO PROVE ANYTHING AT ALL, Abdullah. The accused don't need to prove squat!

Apples and oranges, Grizz.

The "accused" of which you are speaking entails the legal system. Nomad is speaking of the election system. Unless, of course, you are implying that Obama should be engaged by the legal system.

Maybe, you're right as I think of it.

http://constitutionallyright.com/2008/06/2...ificate-a-fake/

The one he released is fake so why won't he show the real one? He is hiding something, and I need to know what! Should Obama be President if he was not born in the US? Answer that question

There's no apples and oranges about this, Solo. Whether you realize this or not, you are BRINGING THE LEGAL SYSTEM in to the picture -- unless, of course, you were considering asking Obama to just step down, of which I feel you already have an answer for.


Like I said before: the accused doesn't need to PROVE anything; the accusers, however, MUST.

Prove that it is fake. Take it to the legal system and do what is right.

Should Obama be President if he was not born in the US? Answer that question

Using your analogy, then anyone can run for President and the system would have to prove that they are not qualified. Sorry, doesn't work that way. When I apply for a job I have to prove that I'm qualified. The employers don't have to prove that I'm not. Same with any applicant, including the President. Just because your guy won doesn't mean that the rules are different. I know you guys like to change the rules, but so do criminals. Wait a minute! Now, I see what you are saying.

Shouldn't a background check be required for president? Like is he qualified for that position? I love how you liberals change rules when it involves someone you like.