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Nomad
You are all BO supporters. Just how will BO as president change your PERSONEL life for the better.
And how will he accomplish this??
Thaiquila
QUOTE (Nomad @ Oct 21 2008, 05:06 AM) *
You are all BO supporters. Just how will BO as president change your PERSONEL life for the better.
And how will he accomplish this??

Good question.

You McCain supporters should answer the same thing, as your MAVERICK man is promising BIG CHANGE as well.

In my case, here is my guess. I live abroad on investments and have been hit hard by the recent crash.

-- he may raise capital gains and dividends taxes, I don't like this as it costs me money, but I am willing to vote against my personal self interest for the good of the country
-- Non-Americans will love America alot more, they really hated Bush, so I will be very proud of my president (I hate our current one) in interactions with the global people I interact with abroad, including Russians, Iranians, French, British, Italians, Chinese, Spaniards, and of course Thais.
-- I expect by the end of Obama's second term, it will be possible for all Americans with pre-existing medical conditions to purchase insurance that covers these conditions at a cost comparable to regular insurance. If I am forced to repatriate, that change alone would be personally life saving for me
-- I won't have to worry about SARAH PALIN being president! That would be a DISASTER!
MrRight
Nomad, A good question, but to be realistic, it's only because of what Obama stands for and his character more than anything he promised during his campaigning. The facts are that no president will be able to do much with the current financial crisis and the two active wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

McCain represents the old guard Bush ideas based on how McCain voted 4 out of 5 times with Bush. His rhetoric belies his actions; he voted 95% with Bush during the last congress. It doesn't matter how much McCain wants to separate himself from Bush, but only conservatives can't see the contradiction of his message against his past actions.

McCain's choice of Plain is very, very, poor judgment; especially since there are better conservative candidates for veep. Palin is all hat and no cattle. She even thinks the vice president has power over the Senate; which shows she has no knowledge of our form of government.

McCain has flip-flopped so often, I haven't heard any conservative outline for us what his position is on the major issues of our day. McCain talks about Obama as being a "socialist," but McCain also voted for the bailout/rescue plan that socializes our banks and finance companies. McCain goes further and says he will help people having problems with their mortgage buy it, and resell it to the buyer. Guess who buys their mortgage: the government. If that isn't socialism, I don't know the meaning of that word.

Also remember what McCain did when he said he was going to "stop his campaign" to go to Washington DC to help pass the bailout legislation. Even the republicans didn't follow his lead. That's leadership? He also lied, because he did not stop his campaign.

Palin is a rabble rouser that incites bigotry, hate, and violence. You want her as our leader?

Palin's foreign experience is, as she explained, that Russia and Canada are connected to "her" state of Alaska, and she can see them - and added to all that, her husband is a member to push for secession. Do you know how to spell "AMERICA FIRST?"

You do get the idea, don't you?
LooseCannon
QUOTE (Nomad @ Oct 20 2008, 10:06 PM) *
You are all BO supporters. Just how will BO as president change your PERSONEL life for the better.
And how will he accomplish this??



How sincere a question can this be? Methinks you'tre trolling. How the hell can we know what the future will bring? Any time you vote for a candidate you take your chances.

Look what a mess those that voted for Dubyah got the country involved in! Sure has to be a lot better situation than that fiasco. I'll take my chances with Obama. It sure must make conservative Repugs pretty antsy....losing the White House as well as Congress in one fell swoop! Nice job...especially with Palin as a choice for VP. rolleyes.gif
SoloNav
QUOTE (LooseCannon @ Oct 21 2008, 06:56 PM) *
How sincere a question can this be? Methinks you'tre trolling. How the hell can we know what the future will bring? Any time you vote for a candidate you take your chances.
Nice dodge. Just say you're too stupid to answer the question, and that you're going fishing in the dark by voting for the most popular PC person rather than having to do any thinking about it.

SoloNav
QUOTE (MrRight @ Oct 21 2008, 06:53 PM) *
McCain represents the old guard Bush ideas based on how McCain voted 4 out of 5 times with Bush. His rhetoric belies his actions; he voted 95% with Bush during the last congress.
And, Obama voted present for the majority of the time, giving us no idea whatsoever what his stance is. Which I think is the plan. ph34r.gif
At least with McCain you know what the guy believes in.

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McCain's choice of Plain is very, very, poor judgment; especially since there are better conservative candidates for veep. Palin is all hat and no cattle. She even thinks the vice president has power over the Senate; which shows she has no knowledge of our form of government.
Errrrrr........Under the Constitution, the Vice President serves as President of the Senate. He may vote in the Senate in the case of a tie, but is not required to. The President Pro Tempore (and others designated by him) usually perform these duties during the Vice President's frequent absences from the Senate. The Vice President holds a tie breaking vote in the Senate and does not usually preside over the Senate. Usually.

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McCain has flip-flopped so often, I haven't heard any conservative outline for us what his position is on the major issues of our day.
Don't get me started on the flipflops of Obama.
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McCain talks about Obama as being a "socialist," but McCain also voted for the bailout/rescue plan that socializes our banks and finance companies.
As did Obama. McCain was being the statesman, instead of a politican which would have strengthened his case more. He pushed to get the Republicans to refuse the first go-around of Democratic authored bailout. Get the facts straght here.
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McCain goes further and says he will help people having problems with their mortgage buy it, and resell it to the buyer.
Correct. He's giving the $$ directly to the owners of the houses at a cheaper price ($300B) than the $750B bailout would eventually cost if given to the companies that created this mess, without running the $$ through the mortage-holding companies. Again, get your facts straight.
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Guess who buys their mortgage: the government. If that isn't socialism, I don't know the meaning of that word.
You are correct: You don't know the meaning of the word.
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Also remember what McCain did when he said he was going to "stop his campaign" to go to Washington DC to help pass the bailout legislation. Even the republicans didn't follow his lead.
Incorrect. See above. He lead the insurrection against the pork-laden bailout of the Democrats. Why do you think Pelosi and Barney Franks got so mad? Their little glass house had been shattered.
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He also lied, because he did not stop his campaign.
You've been reading too much MoveOn.Org. He did stop his campaign. As did Obama when they both went to Washington.

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alin is a rabble rouser that incites bigotry, hate, and violence. You want her as our leader?
Hell, yes!!!! She's better than the namby-pamby Obama who needs a speechwriter to help him sound smart. Ummm......Errrrrrr........You know........Ummmm.....ERrrrrrr.

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You do get the idea, don't you?
Yea. You don't what the h.e.l.l you're talking about. Typical Obama supporter, and MoveOn.Org expert.
Nomad
So far TQ is the only one that even 1/2 answered my question. Once you bypass the ususal left wing tripe.
Moe and Larry apparently have a reading comprehension problem.......

So lets try this again..............................

You are all BO supporters. Just how will BO as president change your PERSONEL LIFE for the better.
And how will he accomplish this??
KenRI
Nomad, best of luck to ya! Do you really think these...hell...ANY Letists can answer a question in a straightforward manner? All they do is dodge and weave and redefine and twist words and change subjects. And lets not forget them injecting their "I hate Bush" comments no matter what the question or topic is. That's something they can't seem to control themselves about.
Let's face facts; I'm sure we've all seem Dodd, Schumer, or Hillary on some news program. Have they ever actually directly answered a question posed to them?
SoloNav
QUOTE (KenRI @ Oct 23 2008, 02:25 AM) *
Nomad, best of luck to ya! Do you really think these...hell...ANY Letists can answer a question in a straightforward manner? All they do is dodge and weave and redefine and twist words and change subjects. And lets not forget them injecting their "I hate Bush" comments no matter what the question or topic is. That's something they can't seem to control themselves about.
Let's face facts; I'm sure we've all seem Dodd, Schumer, or Hillary on some news program. Have they ever actually directly answered a question posed to them?
In one word.
NO!
Thaiquila
I answered it. Am I chopped liver?
KenRI
QUOTE (Thaiquila @ Oct 23 2008, 03:47 PM) *
I answered it. Am I chopped liver?

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Non-Americans will love America alot more, they really hated Bush, so I will be very proud of my president (I hate our current one) in interactions with the global people I interact with abroad, including Russians, Iranians, French, British, Italians, Chinese, Spaniards, and of course Thais.


Edit out what I highlighted in bold, and your answer, although filled with a bunch of Leftist Socialist crap, isn't really that bad. I give you credit for at least trying. cool.gif
Thaiquila
QUOTE (KenRI @ Oct 23 2008, 09:47 PM) *
Edit out what I highlighted in bold, and your answer, although filled with a bunch of Leftist Socialist crap, isn't really that bad. I give you credit for at least trying. cool.gif

I tell the truth, why would you want me to edit out the truth!
MrRight
Nomad, what makes you think that ANY president makes ANYONE'S personal life better? Not many actions taken on the federal level have direct and predictable effects on individual citizens.

But, to humor you:

1, I'll get a tax cut (not that I need one).
2, Universal Health care would help my life considerably.
3, Competent appointees at NASA and the EPA and other agencies, instead of mouth-breathing Republican hacks.

That was easy. dry.gif
LooseCannon
QUOTE (Nomad @ Oct 22 2008, 09:54 PM) *
So far TQ is the only one that even 1/2 answered my question. Once you bypass the ususal left wing tripe.
Moe and Larry apparently have a reading comprehension problem.......

So lets try this again..............................

You are all BO supporters. Just how will BO as president change your PERSONEL LIFE for the better.
And how will he accomplish this??



I will have an enormous feeling of pride in the citizens of my country that I haven't felt in a couple of decades.

I will have a great sense of accomplishment from achieving a goal after working very hard on it for nearly two years.

I will get to see an increasing level of renewed citizen interest and participation at all levels in the governing process of our country again.

For the first time in a very very long time, my first choice and the person I voted for will have won! I didn't have to plug my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils or vote against someone rather than for someone.

I'll have a government interested in improving our environment rather than profiting from the exploitation of it.

I'll have a government that recognizes and defends my right to privacy.
SoloNav
QUOTE (LooseCannon @ Oct 24 2008, 09:49 PM) *
I will have an enormous feeling of pride in the citizens of my country that I haven't felt in a couple of decades.

I will have a great sense of accomplishment from achieving a goal after working very hard on it for nearly two years.

I will get to see an increasing level of renewed citizen interest and participation at all levels in the governing process of our country again.

For the first time in a very very long time, my first choice and the person I voted for will have won! I didn't have to plug my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils or vote against someone rather than for someone.

I'll have a government interested in improving our environment rather than profiting from the exploitation of it.

I'll have a government that recognizes and defends my right to privacy.
Did you write this, LC? Or, did you plagerize it as you've obviously done before?
MrRight
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At least with McCain you know what the guy believes in.


At least until he opens his mouth again.

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The Vice President holds a tie breaking vote in the Senate and does not usually preside over the Senate. Usually.


Continue, Professor.

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Don't get me started on the flipflops of Obama.


Empty, idle threats.

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He pushed to get the Republicans to refuse the first go-around of Democratic authored bailout. Get the facts straght [SIC] here.


He sat there and didn't say anything because he was so far out of his league. Mr Economics might as well have gone on vacation for a week, which is what he wanted anyway, a respite from rigors of a campaign gone flat.

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You are correct: You don't know the meaning of the word.


There was a thread wherein someone asked for an explanation of the term. I missed your comments. Again, continue, Professor.

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Hell, yes!!!! She's better ...


This speaks volumes as to your intellect. The lady presents her ideas with speech patterns that resemble a Valley Girl, apologies to Valley Girls. How long has she been practicing in the wings now, eight weeks or so?

She is vacuous at best.
SoloNav
QUOTE (MrRight @ Oct 25 2008, 04:23 PM) *
At least until he opens his mouth again.



Continue, Professor.



Empty, idle threats.



He sat there and didn't say anything because he was so far out of his league. Mr Economics might as well have gone on vacation for a week, which is what he wanted anyway, a respite from rigors of a campaign gone flat.



There was a thread wherein someone asked for an explanation of the term. I missed your comments. Again, continue, Professor.



This speaks volumes as to your intellect. The lady presents her ideas with speech patterns that resemble a Valley Girl, apologies to Valley Girls. How long has she been practicing in the wings now, eight weeks or so?

She is vacuous at best.
You really know how to engage in a rousing debate.
Grizzly
QUOTE (MrRight @ Oct 21 2008, 09:53 PM) *
McCain goes further and says he will help people having problems with their mortgage buy it, and resell it to the buyer. Guess who buys their mortgage: the government. If that isn't socialism, I don't know the meaning of that word.


Indeed. I agree. Now I hope that someone tries to tell that to one of our conservative residents that has this in her signature:


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Better an imperfect Republican, than a perfect Socialist.
Yeah, right, OK.
Nomad
QUOTE (MrRight @ Oct 24 2008, 08:42 PM) *
Nomad, what makes you think that ANY president makes ANYONE'S personal life better? Not many actions taken on the federal level have direct and predictable effects on individual citizens.

But, to humor you:

1, I'll get a tax cut (not that I need one). Bullsh!t
You won't, mark my words, and if BO does follow through on this scam you will pay for it in other ways. The wealthy create jobs and prosperity for others, the more you take in taxes from them the less they have to grow the economy. Kennedy, Reagan and Bush proved this.
2, Universal Health care would help my life considerably.
Uh Huh.... please give us one example of where the Feds have provided a better product or service than the private sector has.

3, Competent appointees at NASA and the EPA and other agencies, instead of mouth-breathing Republican hacks.
Please provide the specific "hacks" you are referring to............

That was easy. dry.gif
For a simple mind everything is easy, eh Moe????

Nomad
QUOTE (LooseCannon @ Oct 24 2008, 08:49 PM) *
I will have an enormous feeling of pride in the citizens of my country that I haven't felt in a couple of decades.

I will have a great sense of accomplishment from achieving a goal after working very hard on it for nearly two years.

I will get to see an increasing level of renewed citizen interest and participation at all levels in the governing process of our country again.

For the first time in a very very long time, my first choice and the person I voted for will have won! I didn't have to plug my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils or vote against someone rather than for someone.

I'll have a government interested in improving our environment rather than profiting from the exploitation of it.

I'll have a government that recognizes and defends my right to privacy.


Larry, these are not your words. You have not even been alive for a "couple of decades". And even if you agree with this plagerized bullsh!t you are telling us that your personal gain from the election of BO as President will make you FEEL GOOD?
Tell us, Larry, how does feeling good put food on your table. How does feeling good put a roof over your head. How will feeling good prevent another 911....................
Nomad
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McCain talks about Obama as being a "socialist," but McCain also voted for the bailout/rescue plan that socializes our banks and finance companies.
No, wrong again Moe. The Feds will be buying stock in these institutions to help assure liquidity. You have a better idea???????

McCain goes further and says he will help people having problems with their mortgage buy it, and resell it to the buyer. Guess who buys their mortgage: the government. If that isn't socialism, I don't know the meaning of that word.


Wrong again, Moe..... It was socialism that got us into this mess in the first place. This real estate bubble would never have occured had Freddie and Fannie had not guaranteed these bad loans in the first place. Freddie and Fannie were the creations of liberals and guaranteed over 80% of the sub prime loans originated since the early 2000's. F & F were corrupt to the bone, just like any entrenced liberal organization. McPain is simply trying to right a wrong. Trying to give those that were duped by the libs a chance to make it right.

Ya see, Moe, capitalism only fails when the libs try to fk with it. Fannie and Freddie are the quintessential examples of that.
MrRight
I have enough common sense to know that both Obama and McCain would be able to achieve about half (at max) of what they promise. The difference for me is Obama moves us in a new direction so just about all of McCain's promises in my opinion would be continuing us down the wrong path.

McCain's not a bad guy, he's just not offering me anything good.

As American's I wonder if we've lost our sense of patience sometimes. I like that Obama often speaks in terms of the long term. He sees a larger picture, and the world seems to respond overwhelmingly positive to Obama. I think this will help us with the great challenges of the future, because we don't have to go alone on

...a war with terrorists
...a challenge to find solutions to an energy crisis

McCain played out his election as his advisors told him. I honestly don't think McCain is as petty as his own ads betray him to be. The problem is that McCain as president would immediately have a giant rift not only in the world, but in our country to deal with.

My feelings on this election are that independent of who wins, the GOP is going to be purging it's old world leaders who are out of touch. This is probably a really good thing for the GOP. Perhaps in the future they will be able to reform in a more big-tent fashion. However until then, it's hard to take them as a legitimate option.

The Democrats certainly are not perfect, but I admire the vision of the party. It's a more inclusive USA.
LooseCannon
QUOTE (Nomad @ Oct 26 2008, 08:23 PM) *
Larry, these are not your words. You have not even been alive for a "couple of decades". And even if you agree with this plagerized bullsh!t you are telling us that your personal gain from the election of BO as President will make you FEEL GOOD?
Tell us, Larry, how does feeling good put food on your table. How does feeling good put a roof over your head. How will feeling good prevent another 911....................


That you see the concepts I described as only "feeling good" is a defect I cannot correct. Give some thought to it and maybe you'll figure it out. Ask your buddies over at any-right-wing forum to help you out with it if the task is too complicated.

Here's a hint, it isn't about "what's in it for me."

1) by slowing the republican export of jobs to outsourced countries. by giving tax breaks that reward business' for keeping those jobs in the u.s., the average american will be able to provide for his family and his roof.

2) prevent another 9/11? nobody can absolutely guarantee your safety anywhere/anytime, so man up and get over it . that said, it will be an automatic improvement to have an administration that actually pays attention to what's going on around them. and actually reads the pdb and such.
Nomad
QUOTE (MrRight @ Oct 27 2008, 06:37 PM) *
The difference for me is Obama moves us in a new direction so just about all of McCain's promises in my opinion would be continuing us down the wrong path.
Golly, that is sooooooooooo profound Moe. Tell you what Moe, I'll take the the high road and you take the low road and I'll be in Scotland afore ye!!

McCain's not a bad guy, he's just not offering me anything good.
And what good will BO do for you.

As American's I wonder if we've lost our sense of patience sometimes. I like that Obama often speaks in terms of the long term. He sees a larger picture, and the world seems to respond overwhelmingly positive to Obama. I think this will help us with the great challenges of the future, because we don't have to go alone on
Good Lord, are you one of BO's speech writers? You used a whole bunch of words here Moe yet said nothing...........

...a war with terrorists
Kill them all and those that support them. It's that easy.
...a challenge to find solutions to an energy crisis
Simple solution. Harvest our own natural resources. EXTRACT OUR OWN OIL. End of problem.

The problem is that McCain as president would immediately have a giant rift not only in the world, but in our country to deal with.
Again emotional conclusions with no FACTS to back up this claim,,,,,,,,


My feelings on this election.
Yes.....BO wants your emotional FEELINGS. Moe, you have not presented ONE specific example of how BO will improve YOUR life.

TheAvenger
One way BO would improve our life, is we will not hear the Negros BlTCH about racism if he is elected. "Ah sheet maan that beez a nigga hatin yt n sheet"
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